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idiotPrayer 
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 Topic: meshuggah - thrash metal! what the hell??Posted: 03 Apr 2010 at 8:30am |
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maybe prog metal, avant garde- or sludge/post metal would be more appropriate from them.
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"Good taste is the enemy of creativity"
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m@x
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Posted: 03 Apr 2010 at 9:35am |
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Sounds right , Prog Metal team will manage this !
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Posted: 03 Apr 2010 at 4:06pm |
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Not actually. The band's music is firmly rooted in the most innovative and brutal thrash metal. They are one of those bands that really push the boundaries of the genre. At most you can call them progressive thrash/groove, but that's it.
I'm sorry, but I will make my stand here: they stay in thrash. Edited by CCVP - 03 Apr 2010 at 4:07pm |
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Vehemency
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Posted: 03 Apr 2010 at 4:08pm |
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Luckily we can keep the earliest albums on thrash and move the later albums to something else.
Edit: ^ Just the way I would vote for. Can't hear that much thrash on the latest full-lengths... Well I'm definitely not an expert in that area. :-) Edited by Vehemency - 03 Apr 2010 at 4:12pm |
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Posted: 03 Apr 2010 at 4:13pm |
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oh yes.... M@X? others? Is what I thought I read correct.... is this site going to be 'album based'. ie ...groups are not listed by genres but sorted in genres by albums. |
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Posted: 03 Apr 2010 at 4:13pm |
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Their most progressive albums are Chaosphere and Nothing, and even so it is because of their innovations. From those they both slowed down the tempo (started grooving) and became less progressive. It is like putting Slayer on progressive metal because of Raining blood and South of Heaven.
 Just not happening man. Not happening.
It is because they slowed down the tempo. They are half-way of doing groove metal.  And even if they ocasionally do record a groove metal album, groove is a thrash baby, so it won't change much.Edited by CCVP - 03 Apr 2010 at 4:16pm |
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m@x
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YES ! And artists with most albums in a particular genre will appears in the genre page. Cool hey ?
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Posted: 03 Apr 2010 at 4:16pm |
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not simply cool..... it ROCKS!!!!  hahah |
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Posted: 03 Apr 2010 at 4:18pm |
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Posted: 03 Apr 2010 at 4:21pm |
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 as they should be...as they are |
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Not really, Caio... They released at least eight fully prog studio albums (not counting their debut nor the controversial Duke), and only five (or six) pop ones, with some prog thrown in for good measure. Therefore, they would stay in a fully prog genre.
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Vehemency
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Posted: 03 Apr 2010 at 4:23pm |
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Personally I'm still a bit uncertain that a casual listener will
find the material from Chaosphere onwards really thrash metal... But I will leave this for the experts.
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I�m in total agreement with Caio ( CCVP) here. They may not sound anything like Slayer, Testament or Forbidden but their music is deeply rooted in Thrash metal. Progressive metal on MMA should be reserved for Dream Theater and the clones
 . I don�t really see any other genre than Thrash Metal ( and I mean all their albums) that would fit. A modern hybrid of Thrash metal but still Thrash metal when placing them in the current subs.
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idiotPrayer
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Posted: 03 Apr 2010 at 4:34pm |
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only meshuggahs debut may be called fully thrash metal. they were originally influenced by thrash, and then created something unique. and to say that they just slowed down the tempo is wrong. what they really did is that they became more innovative and unique = what prog metal is all about. it's a common misbelief that prog metal should be all about "look-what-i-can-do" and technicality, eg symphony x or dream theater.
catch 33 consists of ONE 45 min long song (13 tracks). not a single one off the riffs here are typical thrash metal riffs. still, there is place for complex arrangements, mechanically advancing, oddball tempos, ambient sounds and quieter dynamics, noise, electronics, programming and "robotic voices", tribal percussion and whispered vocals. 'nuff said |
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Yes Raff but think what would have happened if they had continued to produce pop albums
 . The balance would have shifted . The system isn�t waterproof but what system is? |
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Posted: 03 Apr 2010 at 5:12pm |
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No one, indeed
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Posted: 03 Apr 2010 at 5:24pm |
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Messhugah in prog-metal would be almost an aberration. They are so different from the core bands of the genre (DT, FW) that it would be quite bizarre to put them in the same genre. Remember, on this site we HAVE the variety of metal options to put bands where they belong... As I have said, Metal itself has 23821031 genres (check metal-archives or metal-observer for a clue) but we can work with what we have here.
I think Thrash and industrial/groove is a good idea....they have elements of all of that.... In reality, is a new sound, based on polyrhythms and percussion-like riffs.... They're not proper thrash, but they're more thrash than prog-metal at least... They're a genre of their own. I'd put them in industrial metal if only for the machine-like sound they have...
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Posted: 03 Apr 2010 at 5:25pm |
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Dude, listen, I know what you mean. I really do. But the thing is, thrash metal continued past the 80's. This band brings the thrash metal sound to the present instead of keeping it on the 80's, like the majority of thrash metal band do.
Are they progressive? Yes, but Slayer, Morbid Angel and Kreator also were and they are nowhere near progressive metal. Meshuggah may generate discussions like this because they are a truelly progressive metal band, but the thing is, they are more representative to thrash metal than they are to progressive metal.
Besides, the progressive metal genres in PA are sort of a dumping ground for every aspect of progressive heavy metal, so don't use it as a measuring stick here.
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Posted: 03 Apr 2010 at 5:26pm |
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Should we count the singles, "best of"s and related then? Edited by CCVP - 03 Apr 2010 at 5:27pm |
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Posted: 03 Apr 2010 at 6:21pm |
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Plus you have to realize that for most cases the site's decided to put all the extreme progressive metal bands in the subgenre most associated with them other than progressive metal. Meshuggah's definitely progressive thrash, so for this site it's the obvious fit.
Now Fredrik Thordendal's Special Defects, on the other hand, I believe a perfect fit for avant-garde, yet it's still in thrash. |
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Lost respect for these archives when I saw Creed added, among other bands. Not going to be foruming here anymore. You can keep my reviews if you want.
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