Slayer vs Kreator

Slayer. They have three masterpiece albums (South of Heaven, Seasons in the Abyss, Divine Intervention) and a masterpiece EP (Haunting the Chapel). Kreator has two masterpieces (Extreme Aggression and Coma of Souls).

Edited by Unitron - 15 Mar 2018 at 9:47pm

LittleBig wrote: wait, there's one more

UMUR wrote: ^Not if you mention Renewal as their best . I´ve given my reasons for not appreciating Kreator much these days, and I think those are valid reasons. To my ears not even the "Classic" Kreator albums even remotely reach the heights of the best Slayer albums. There are quite a few reasons why that is (songwriting, production values...etc), but to me personally it´s mostly Ventor´s rididulous drumming skills which kills Kreator´s music. He is one of the worst drummers on the scene IMO. I can still remember the "not so well trained" younger version of him singing out of breath/and trying to drum and keep the beat while singing "Riot of Violence" on the VHS tape of the live concert in East Berlin right after the wall fell. Man I used to love that video, but in retrospect that particular track just sounds awful.

^Not if you mention Renewal as their best . I´ve given my reasons for not appreciating Kreator much these days, and I think those are valid reasons. To my ears not even the "Classic" Kreator albums even remotely reach the heights of the best Slayer albums. There are quite a few reasons why that is (songwriting, production values...etc), but to me personally it´s mostly Ventor´s rididulous drumming skills which kills Kreator´s music. He is one of the worst drummers on the scene IMO. I can still remember the "not so well trained" younger version of him singing out of breath/and trying to drum and keep the beat while singing "Riot of Violence" on the VHS tape of the live concert in East Berlin right after the wall fell. Man I used to love that video, but in retrospect that particular track just sounds awful.

Kreator have released some great albums but even at their best they can't compete with Hell Awaits, Reign In Blood and South Of Heaven.

I suppose I shouldn't vote here until I hear more albums from both, but heavily leaning toward Kreator based on just Pleasure to Kill, which I liked more than any of the three Slayer albums I've heard. Slayer is a band that, as stated in my Reign of Blood review posted yesterday, I really enjoy a select few songs from (another being the Seasons in the Abyss title track), but the rest does little to nothing for me. I do intend to try more of their classic albums though just to see if I come away with a different opinion than Reign of Blood gave me. 

DippoMagoo wrote: I can't really vote on this until I hear more from Kreator.

This says a lot about how metal has changed. In the early 90s, there was a lot less to chose from, and any metalhead you met could debate it instantly because they'd have heard everything available. Some will tell you metal has become too fragmented, or watered down, or some other negative bullshit, but I think it's a real positive. It means there's more diversity and more choice, and it all still gets called metal. It shows the creativeness and continued development of the genre as a whole, which is why it has grown from strength to strength, instead of fading and dying like a lot of other musical trends.

^ I enjoy Endorama quite a bit, I got no problem with it, being different and all. The only other album of thrashers going soft that I like more is Testament's The Ritual. 

I really don't like Endorama or Coma of Souls.

I was thinking about EPs too. Haunting the Chapel vs Flag of Hate is near impossible to call. Out of the Dark...Into The Light and Live Undead are a close match too.

I can't really vote on this until I hear more from Kreator. I've only heard their last three and Come of Souls so far, and all of those have been excellent. Meanwhile, for Slayer I absolutely love the trio of Reign in Blood, South of Heaven and Seasons in the Abyss, but everything afterward does basically nothing for me, with God Hates Us All being especially awful. In fact, I once described it as "a wild 13 year old's temper tantrum set to music" and I still stick by description 

Edited by DippoMagoo - 11 Mar 2018 at 12:36am