What is a deal breaker in metal for you?

Psydye wrote: I would say pig squeals but I actually haven't heard that much metal w/ them in it so really can't say. I went w/ other, however, as I am NOT a fan of unintelligible grunting(as in brutal death metal) and generic growling(as in most modern tech death). It just just doesn't do anything for me. This is why I am a fan of a lot of the old school stuff....a lot of death metal vocalists actually sounded DIFFERENT from each other...and were also a bit intelligible! Nowadays it's all the same and doesn't sound intelligible.

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The bloke in the video I posted in this thread talks some good sense about pig squeals and why they're so widely used. I know nothing about the technical side of music. Hell, I've never got past Yankee Doodle on the guitar! Even so, this fella makes it interesting, and even mostly intelligible, to a musical cretin like me.

adg211288 wrote: Old poll. I know from my old post I voted for pig squeals before but I actually wish I could change my vote to Other. Pig squeals are still a deal breaker but they're mostly used in genres I've little interest in anyway, so I think a bigger deal breaker for me is the unlisted rapping. I really have no tolerance for that in my metal and I really hate it when bands who play genres that aren't usually associated with using rapping decide to throw some in. I can make the conscious decision to not listen to stuff like rap metal and nu metal. I don't want to hear symphonic metal bands inviting rappers to guest on their music. I'm looking at Within Temptation here. I never play the CD of their last album anymore because of that song they did with Xzibit. It wasn't even as bad as it could have been. But every time I consider playing that CD I recall that song and just think 'nope!' and pick something else. I know I could skip it, but that's how much of a deal breaker rapping is for me. It completely turns me off returning to that CD.

Old poll. I know from my old post I voted for pig squeals before but I actually wish I could change my vote to Other. Pig squeals are still a deal breaker but they're mostly used in genres I've little interest in anyway, so I think a bigger deal breaker for me is the unlisted rapping. I really have no tolerance for that in my metal and I really hate it when bands who play genres that aren't usually associated with using rapping decide to throw some in. I can make the conscious decision to not listen to stuff like rap metal and nu metal. I don't want to hear symphonic metal bands inviting rappers to guest on their music. I'm looking at Within Temptation here. I never play the CD of their last album anymore because of that song they did with Xzibit. It wasn't even as bad as it could have been. But every time I consider playing that CD I recall that song and just think 'nope!' and pick something else. I know I could skip it, but that's how much of a deal breaker rapping is for me. It completely turns me off returning to that CD. 

Vim Fuego wrote: Nightfly wrote: Drum machines. Wouldn't knowingly buy an album that uses one instead of a real drummer. Not even something like Godflesh?

Drum machines. Wouldn't knowingly buy an album that uses one instead of a real drummer.

No deal breakers for me. Any element of music is fair game if it's used effectively. If i had to name a deal breaker than i would be bad compositional planning. Even pig squeals can be used to great effect but if it's a whole album of samey uninspired songs with them then forget it. I guess lack of inspiration is the closest thing. Sometimes an album clearly works and sometimes it doesn't. 

UMUR wrote: I probably did, but this is an old thread, and I didn´t go through it to see if I posted already

I probably did, but this is an old thread, and I didn´t go through it to see if I posted already

Pig squeals

Zorn eh? I know it's called grindcore but we know better...that has to be avant metal rite?