Help With An Online List Of Metal

Wow, what a list. I'm not really a metal expert(I come on here to learn more about it)so I can't comment too much. Being more of a prog fan I would say from a prog perspective I would add Yes-relayer, Drama and big generator. Also some Gentle Giant(octopus and maybe civilian). Also, Focus-moving waves. Great list though.

First and foremost, let me applaud what you are doing with this list.  Huzzah, good sir!

Now, just a couple of minor nitpicks.

One:  in the prog section, you list Pawn Hearts (which is a good album), but you talk in the article section about "Arrow", which is on Godbluff.  Honestly, between Arrow and Scorched Earth, Godbluff bleeds more true to metal than Pawn Hearts (those songs are the most metal things you could ever hear that include a saxophone...).

Two: Why no Dopes to Infinity in the Monster Magnet listings?  That is largely considered to be their finest album.

Three (and this one is VERY minor): You listed Earth AD by the Misfits, but not Walk Among Us.  Again, I have found by and large Walk Among Us to be an album held in higher regard overall.

If I am mistaken and/or simply blind (i.e. didn't see something), please disregard my criticisms.

At any rate, good on you, sir.

Ok.

Only about 45 albums to go till I stop at 500.

What do you guys reckon are 50 of the most important albums ?

I spotted another error. You have the album Fire of Unknown Origin down twice, one of them as being by Alice Cooper rather than Blue �yster Cult. The other is correct.

Oh, anyone know what Killing Joke's most famous album is ?

Before I forget that Lacuna Coil album you have in there really has nothing to do with symphonic metal.

Kingcrimsonprog wrote:   That story is pretty similar for every metal fan I've ever met my own age

IMPF2112 wrote: And also your argument that Metalcore/Nu Metal is as important than NWOBHM, Doom Metal and Black Metal because a bunch of kids who are new to Metal are into it is the equivalent of saying that Blink 182 are just as important to Punk Rock as the Sex Pistols, and even though I'm not much of an expert on Punk Rock, I know for a fact that's absolute bullshit.

On this point I'd just raise the old 'in the nu metal era, music sales were the highest in the history of the music business' argument that everyone uses to defend Nu Metal and the like.

Between Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Papa Roach, Korn, Coal Chamber  and Slipknot, the combined record sales are almost definitely bigger than every band in the Black Metal (or Doom Metal, excluding Black Sabbath for not being part of the actual Doom genre) genre's combined sales.

More people bough it. More people liked it.
Slipknot and Limp Bizkit sometimes play in front of more people per show than a black or doom band play in front of in an entire tour.

You can debate about the quality of the fans, sure. But at the end of the day, more human beings prefer this stuff to the more respectable stuff that elitists like. Silent majorities are still the majority.  And what better what to judge worth of inclusion by its relevance to people ?
What better way to judge relevance to people by the number of people it affects ?

Again, you can argue about the quality of the people, you might say they don't love the music properly, but that argument falls apart at least a bit when you hear someone like Terry Beezer go off in an impassioned defense of Limp Bizkit.


Think of it this way:
How many people would be listening to metal right now if Hair Metal, Nu Metal and Metalcore didn't exist ?
How many people would be going to see Emperor and St Vitus concerts if Hair Metal, Nu Metal and Metalcore didn't exist ?

The first band I ever bought tickets for was Limp Bizkit, the first show (Bizkit cancelled due to a back injury) I ever went to was Ozzfest with American Headcharge, System Of A Down, Drowning Pool, Otep and a bunch of other nu Metal bands. Some of the first ever CDs I bought were by Green Day and Slipknot.

Now I'm a Carpathian Forest, Zyklon, Sleep, Kreator & Judas Priest fan.
That story is pretty similar for every metal fan I've ever met my own age, for more than one of the writers at Metal Hammer magazine and for the next generation of Black, Doom and Death Metal bands.

Limp Bizkit are unfashionable, and perhaps even downright unlikable to some, but their contribution to the health of the metal scene is undeniable. Just like Poison in there day and Black Veil Brides or whatever other terrible band is doing it right now.

Metal needs gateway bands. To understand the holistic entirety of metal you need to understand the gateway bands. The list is a list of albums you need to understand to understand the holistic entirety of metal.



(Again, tone on the internet is hard. That is nothing but a calm, neutal-emotioned explanation of my decision rather than an argument or heated defense)

IMPF2112 wrote: Also, the fact that you have two albums by Limp Bizkit on that list and none by Atheist or Cynic makes me wanna commit Seppuku or something.

Lol, both Athiest and Cynic are in there.

Yeah, I did some looking up, checking old lists and mag countdowns and there is definitely a case for those Bathory albums, I think I'm going to add them on my final stretch up to 500.

On a similar note Hellhammer are a must, but they only put out bloody EPs, which is annoying as I'd made a point of having only full-length studio albums.



Edited by Kingcrimsonprog - 14 May 2012 at 7:56am

Kingcrimsonprog wrote: OK. Its up to 400 now. Only 100 to go. http://kingcrimsonprog.wordpress.com/2012/05/11/list-of-albums-that-you-need-to-have-heard-to-have-a-full-and-comprehensive-understanding-of-metal-music/#Power%20Metal I wish I could remember the name of some of those new bands that are half pop-punk and half metal. Ambient Black Metal is still only 1 album. I know it exists but I don't know any of the bands. Two things that I could include but am resistant to are The Dethalbum by Dethklock and Spinal Tap's first album. I dunno, they feel too much like compilations and no 'proper' studio albums to me.