The "core" thread

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between the buried and me are  mentioned on here as core but aren't they more progressive then anything granted i do hear core elements in their music

topofsm wrote: ^That's what I think of with TGM, not necessarily any other album. While the compositional techniques BTBAM uses aren't really metalcore, their riffs seem firmly rooted in it, especially when you mix in the breakdowns.   Anyways, the difference between Death metal and deathcore seems pretty obvous to me. Death metal is far heavier and brutal with more agressive riffs, faster blastbeats and riffs, lower growls and bass/guitar, and an emphasis on technicality. Deathcore is mainly more hardcore based shouts and a huge emphasis on breakdowns, and really I don't see a lot of similarity between the two genres, besides the superficial elements like the amount of double bass and the distortion level of the guitars.

 

Harry wrote: topofsm wrote: I really don't care for metalcore, which is strange because I absolutely love BTBAM. For the most part I can appreciate post hardcore bands though. Something about them seems more genuine than any -core band IMO. BTBAM isn't really metalcore though. The last 3 albums are definitely much more in the deathcore vein, which is practically the same as death metal, just more noisy, dissonance and more of a tendency to have breakdowns. Really the only metalcore moment BTBAM have is that guest vocalist on Prequel to the Sequel doing the screams. Time signature changes, old school death metal inspired riffs, tech death band inspired riffs, death growls.......definitely technical progressive deathcore, not metalcore

 

topofsm wrote: I really don't care for metalcore, which is strange because I absolutely love BTBAM. For the most part I can appreciate post hardcore bands though. Something about them seems more genuine than any -core band IMO.

BTBAM isn't really metalcore though.
The last 3 albums are definitely much more in the deathcore vein, which is practically the same as death metal, just more noisy, dissonance and more of a tendency to have breakdowns.
Really the only metalcore moment BTBAM have is that guest vocalist on Prequel to the Sequel doing the screams.
Time signature changes, old school death metal inspired riffs, tech death band inspired riffs, death growls.......definitely technical progressive deathcore, not metalcore

I tend to prefer Hardcore/Post-Hardcore to Metalcore bands, simply because bands like Reuben, Meet Me in St Louis etc are as melodic and catchy as they are heavy.
They aren't remotely metal though.

I only really listen to Killswitch when it comes to metalcore.

ed_the_dead wrote: There seem to be quite a few metalcore enthusiasts around here. Hardcore in general seems to be a genre frequently frowned upon by "true" metalheads. Metalcore/Deathcore/Mathcore get a lot of bad press because of that - people label it an immature, trendy musical mutant.

...and it isn't? Bands have been mixing hardcore and metal for decades, crust punk bands like amebix moved towards thrash metal territory, bands like S.O.D. incorporated hardcore elements into thrash to make crossover, some black metal bands lately have been moving toward crust punk and then you have grind which is pretty much the logical extension of hardcore incorporating elements of death metal as well. All those changes are pretty natural and logical progressions where elements of metal and hardcore have blended together fairly spontaneously.

Metalcore isn't a very natural hybrid at all, it's not an entity residing along a logical musical progression like crossover thrash or grindcore, It's fairly artificially concocted when you think about it. Seems like metalcore bands just take melodic metal then add in angsty vocals and breakdowns to make it more accesible to young people. I have yet to see much/any evidence to the contrary.


Edited by Beekeeper - 10 Apr 2010 at 7:06am

I've never really been into -core metal in general. I just find it difficult to enjoy it. However, Sikth is considered mathcore and I like them.

Moved this to the Appreciation lounge just below... 

I have no problems with -core bands. I like a bunch of them and there's a bunch of them I don't like. What I've given up on in relation to -core is the genre subclassification. It's like the -core suffix can be attached to anything in order to create new genre terms (wasn't i Jeff Walker who anticipated the rise of mommycore and grandadcore?).