Pantera ~ Racism in Metal

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 Unitron wrote:

 LittleBig wrote:

 Bosh66 wrote:

Little Big, understand your position but we do already have a very large number of bands covering unsavoury topics. We'd end up removing some of the bigger bands as well as more obscure ones if we were to take that approach. And while it would be nice to think (and I do think) that everyone here finds rape, torture and racial superiority politics objectionable, at what place to you set the barrier? I like dark occultist music but don't listen to explicitly satanic bands. Others would feel I'm missing out on some good music and stories. Is a song about a rape or lynching the same as one that glorifies it? Does the fact that EM / SOM / HME and other sites list a band not place us out of kilter if we don't?

My view is that we list everything , but call out in a matter of fact those that may cause offence. Honor is a Polish RAC / neo-nazi band. Cock And ball Torture is a porno-grind band from Germany. Readers will know then what the're viewing.

A site-wide disclaimer will outline MMAs position. And should someone want to review a nazi band, it would obviously have to be done objectively on the music else the Admins will pull it for being offensive. I don't think though that we get many reviews of far right nationalist bands. Most listeners will be reviewing on more niche sites I assume. That said, I'd welcome reviews of Moshpit so long as it was objective and focussed on the music.

I understand that there are people who don't care about lyrical content (which I find strange, but anyway), but I just think that including bands with neo-nazi lyricism and violence related topics does not seem like a good idea to me, I don't know what to say, I would never listen to such a thing, no matter how competent the musicians are on their instruments. 

Occult themes, i don't mind, anti-religious lyrics, the same (as long as they're not encouraging hate against people). 

I wouldn't never listen to neo-nazi bands either, but when you have a database that is trying to be a complete metal resource, you have to take the bad with the good.

I have listened to neo-nazi bands. I've done it for research purposes. I've never, ever spent any money on them though. I feel absolutely no shame whatsoever in downloading that sort of thing without paying for it, just to see what it sounds like. One listen is usually enough and then off to the garbage can on my desktop.

For the record, most neo-nazi shit is absolutely dreadful. You can all guess how vile the lyrics are. Strangely though, the music is uniformly dreadful as well. Not a scrap of instrumental or songwriting skill shown.

For a bit of perspective, I've also been checking out most of the grindcore bands on the site as I've been updating their profiles, just to make sure they are in the right category. I don't much like some of that either.