Xploding Plastix (Non-metal) [REJECTED]

  

Of course if any other Admin feel differently to me.....  Unless that's the case it's probably a no. 

Thanks for your suggestion though.

Nightfly wrote: The current rules on non metal additons are not deffinitive but only state a minimum requirement for inclusion. Ultimately it's down to how much relevance and interest a band is likely to be to people who visit here. It would be difficult to have rules  for non metal that could encompass every eventuality. If it was down to me alone and this site was starting from scratch I'd say no to all non metal.

To be honest, I agree with this.

For me this really hits the nail on the head. All Non-Metal, Metal Related and yes even Hard Rock and Hardcore additions should be expected to be on a metal site by a person with reasonable knowledge of the genre and it's closely related styles. There's no point adding any artist that we don't think people would generally think to look for on a metal site. There's so much work to be done still that it would be a waste of time. This is most crucial for Non and MR more than HR and HC, but does apply to them as well to some extent. I for instance have long had it in for all the AOR types that have been added here. One step too far away from metal IMO. Just one example.

This did come up in the AZ recently and I believed we agreed that for any of these 'extra' subs the final decider is whether something just feels right on a metal site to be allowed to be added solely as MR/Non. We've tried various iterations of written rules over the years and none have been perfect. There are a few hard guidelines that we can use such as such additions requiring a full-length album to be released to keep out projects that may not progress very far, but if something feels out of place we're unlikely to allow it going forward regardless of what they've released. Actually the example Chris used was that if James Hetfield released a solo drum and bass album we wouldn't add him as a solo artist, despite fronting one of the biggest metal bands in history. Yet the various ambient and darkwave types from black metal musicians are fine, because that's like a whole sub-scene of the black metal genre, thus has relevance beyond one artist doing something different. 

Honestly don't know about Transatlantic, since they were mentioned. The only album with a really heavy moment is Bridge Across Forever and even that's in Non rather than MR and Portnoy is their only true connection to metal. Neal Morse is here of course but that doesn't actually help their case, since he's only in as MR as well. The other two guys have no metal history at all. Love the band and would hate to see them removed after all these years but the thing with MMA is that none of us our supposed to play favourites with what should and shouldn't be here - something I think has been forgotten every now and then. And I do think that at some point we are really going to have to take a hard look at all the profiles added solely under MR/Non (especially Non) to see what really deserves a place on a metal site. 

Getting off topic now considering this is a rejected suggestion thread, so all I'll add to close is that if there are any pages here solely in Non-Metal that anyone is concerned over they are free to flag them with the admin team and we'll see how we feel about them. 

It's the long standing problem on where the line should be drawn. 

I've started to collect a list of all the profiles currently only filed under Non-Metal, so we can have a good look and see which actually should be here and hopefully come up with a workable formula for what is OK to include and what isn't. For my money I've already spotted a couple I'm uncomfortable with. 

I don't have a problem with offshoots from lesser known black metal artists being here so long as the musician was/is reasonably prolific with preferably more than one act. 

You bring up another issue by mentioning Aythis was well: what actually makes black metal special that these acts get a pass? It's not something we can really tie to another genre in terms of addition validity. There's no good reason why a doom connected act like Aythis should get the boot if similar acts connected to black metal are allowed to stay. 

I can see we're going to have to have some long debates in the AZ on how to re-approach this. Don't suppose you've decided to come back on board?

But on the other hand that does sound like inventing any excuse to get/keep an artist on here doesn't it? 

Personally I would not lose any sleep if Aythis wasn't here. My biggest reluctance would be that the profile has been here for six years and no one has questioned it's presence, but that may be because no one has ever thought to look for it (I'm the only one who ever left a rating). 

As you said Nicole - a total minefield.