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Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

Yeah, that is quite a contradiction. Caio, we can add bands who have only one definite metal album. The question with KC is if they ever actually released a full-blown metal album. 

I'd go as far as say that we not only can add bands with only one definite metal album, but actually there's no reason whatsoever to keep them out of the archives. As said above, the trouble with KC is to decide if theirs is actually such a case. Well, I don't think the point is if they're metal enough but proto-metal enough.
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Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

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Has King Crimson released an entire album which is hard rocking og metallish? (I've heard talk of Thrak being such an album, which I actually haven't heard myself).
RED is definitly a metal album.



uh, NO, Red has 2 songs that could be seen as metal.  Starless, Fallen Angel, One More Red Nightmare and Providence are NOWHERE near being metal, proto- or otherwise
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Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by Time Signature Time Signature wrote:

Has King Crimson released an entire album which is hard rocking og metallish? (I've heard talk of Thrak being such an album, which I actually haven't heard myself).
RED is definitly a metal album.



uh, NO, Red has 2 songs that could be seen as metal.  Starless, Fallen Angel, One More Red Nightmare and Providence are NOWHERE near being metal, proto- or otherwise

One More Red Nightmare is certainly proto-metal
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It's so damn avant and experimental though, and has so many traits that back then constituted a major Shocked (aka metal)
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and also


this is very avant metal, once you get into the middle of the song


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Originally posted by Pekka Pekka wrote:

Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

Yeah, that is quite a contradiction. Caio, we can add bands who have only one definite metal album. The question with KC is if they ever actually released a full-blown metal album. 

I'd go as far as say that we not only can add bands with only one definite metal album, but actually there's no reason whatsoever to keep them out of the archives. As said above, the trouble with KC is to decide if theirs is actually such a case. Well, I don't think the point is if they're metal enough but proto-metal enough.

I think THRAK and The ConstruKction of Light might pass as avant or alternative metal, maybe, if the 70s albums aren't proto enough. 
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I just don't see it.
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well I do LOL
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This is when you know you have a perpetual disagreement on your hands... "I just don't see it".... "well I do!" LOLTongue
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^They're always so much fun Tongue
It's more the admin's and team member's decision anyway, we have little to do with it.
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True, but not as much as the proto team's colabs. If it goes to the avant team, then its all you (and your fellow collabs)
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That much, I can guarantee, will not happen.  If the decision is made that King Crimson belongs in proto-prog, I will accept that and not complain even once, but frankly there is no way ANYBODY could legitimately believe they belong in avant-metal.
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That's perfectly acceptable LOL
I'm no avant-metal expert, I just thought Thrak and TCoL were rather experimental and "out-there"
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Originally posted by andyman1125 andyman1125 wrote:

That's perfectly acceptable LOL
I'm no avant-metal expert, I just thought Thrak and TCoL were rather experimental and "out-there"


Something can be somewhat avant without being metal
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Points: 2068 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 9:57pm
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by andyman1125 andyman1125 wrote:

That's perfectly acceptable LOL
I'm no avant-metal expert, I just thought Thrak and TCoL were rather experimental and "out-there"


Something can be somewhat avant without being metal
I'm not arguing with you, I was just pointing out my thought process. Your experience with the genre is obviously far greater than mine, and therefore you have a more "educated" say on whether KC is avant-metal or not.
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Points: 4201 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 10:03pm
:| I don't even know where this conversation is going LOL

I think we should just let the proto team puzzle this over
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Good idea Tongue

What other useless things might we talk about? LOL
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