MetalMusicArchives.com Homepage
Forum Home Forum Home >Site News, Newbies, Help and Improvements >Suggest new bands/artists to MMA
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - King Crimson for proto-metal?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Topic ClosedKing Crimson for proto-metal?
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234>
Author
Message
  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
Pekka View Drop Down
MMA Special Collaborator
MMA Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: 26 Mar 2010
Location: Helsinki
Status: Offline
Points: 1362 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 12:38pm
Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

Yeah, that is quite a contradiction. Caio, we can add bands who have only one definite metal album. The question with KC is if they ever actually released a full-blown metal album. 

I'd go as far as say that we not only can add bands with only one definite metal album, but actually there's no reason whatsoever to keep them out of the archives. As said above, the trouble with KC is to decide if theirs is actually such a case. Well, I don't think the point is if they're metal enough but proto-metal enough.
<- Click on this!
Back to Top
Triceratopsoil View Drop Down
MMA Special Collaborator
MMA Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: 17 Dec 2010
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 4201 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 6:25pm
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by Time Signature Time Signature wrote:

Has King Crimson released an entire album which is hard rocking og metallish? (I've heard talk of Thrak being such an album, which I actually haven't heard myself).
RED is definitly a metal album.



uh, NO, Red has 2 songs that could be seen as metal.  Starless, Fallen Angel, One More Red Nightmare and Providence are NOWHERE near being metal, proto- or otherwise
Back to Top
Andyman1125 View Drop Down
MMA Special Collaborator
MMA Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: 15 Jan 2011
Location: Rhode Island
Status: Offline
Points: 2068 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 6:34pm
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by Time Signature Time Signature wrote:

Has King Crimson released an entire album which is hard rocking og metallish? (I've heard talk of Thrak being such an album, which I actually haven't heard myself).
RED is definitly a metal album.



uh, NO, Red has 2 songs that could be seen as metal.  Starless, Fallen Angel, One More Red Nightmare and Providence are NOWHERE near being metal, proto- or otherwise

One More Red Nightmare is certainly proto-metal
My Bandcamp
Back to Top
J-Man View Drop Down
MMA Special Collaborator
MMA Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: 25 Mar 2010
Location: Philadelphia,PA
Status: Offline
Points: 7032 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 6:43pm
^ Seconded:
Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime
Back to Top
Triceratopsoil View Drop Down
MMA Special Collaborator
MMA Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: 17 Dec 2010
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 4201 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 6:45pm
It is for the first 30 seconds...
Back to Top
Andyman1125 View Drop Down
MMA Special Collaborator
MMA Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: 15 Jan 2011
Location: Rhode Island
Status: Offline
Points: 2068 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 7:26pm
It's so damn avant and experimental though, and has so many traits that back then constituted a major Shocked (aka metal)
My Bandcamp
Back to Top
Andyman1125 View Drop Down
MMA Special Collaborator
MMA Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: 15 Jan 2011
Location: Rhode Island
Status: Offline
Points: 2068 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 7:31pm
and also


this is very avant metal, once you get into the middle of the song


Edited by andyman1125 - 24 Jan 2011 at 7:31pm
My Bandcamp
Back to Top
Andyman1125 View Drop Down
MMA Special Collaborator
MMA Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: 15 Jan 2011
Location: Rhode Island
Status: Offline
Points: 2068 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 7:34pm
Originally posted by Pekka Pekka wrote:

Originally posted by J-Man J-Man wrote:

Yeah, that is quite a contradiction. Caio, we can add bands who have only one definite metal album. The question with KC is if they ever actually released a full-blown metal album. 

I'd go as far as say that we not only can add bands with only one definite metal album, but actually there's no reason whatsoever to keep them out of the archives. As said above, the trouble with KC is to decide if theirs is actually such a case. Well, I don't think the point is if they're metal enough but proto-metal enough.

I think THRAK and The ConstruKction of Light might pass as avant or alternative metal, maybe, if the 70s albums aren't proto enough. 
My Bandcamp
Back to Top
Triceratopsoil View Drop Down
MMA Special Collaborator
MMA Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: 17 Dec 2010
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 4201 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 8:06pm
I just don't see it.
Back to Top
Andyman1125 View Drop Down
MMA Special Collaborator
MMA Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: 15 Jan 2011
Location: Rhode Island
Status: Offline
Points: 2068 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 8:12pm
well I do LOL
My Bandcamp
Back to Top
J-Man View Drop Down
MMA Special Collaborator
MMA Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: 25 Mar 2010
Location: Philadelphia,PA
Status: Offline
Points: 7032 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 8:13pm
This is when you know you have a perpetual disagreement on your hands... "I just don't see it".... "well I do!" LOLTongue
Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime
Back to Top
Andyman1125 View Drop Down
MMA Special Collaborator
MMA Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: 15 Jan 2011
Location: Rhode Island
Status: Offline
Points: 2068 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 8:38pm
^They're always so much fun Tongue
It's more the admin's and team member's decision anyway, we have little to do with it.
My Bandcamp
Back to Top
Triceratopsoil View Drop Down
MMA Special Collaborator
MMA Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: 17 Dec 2010
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 4201 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 9:29pm
I'm a collab, I think my say at least counts for something
Back to Top
Andyman1125 View Drop Down
MMA Special Collaborator
MMA Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: 15 Jan 2011
Location: Rhode Island
Status: Offline
Points: 2068 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 9:39pm
True, but not as much as the proto team's colabs. If it goes to the avant team, then its all you (and your fellow collabs)
My Bandcamp
Back to Top
Triceratopsoil View Drop Down
MMA Special Collaborator
MMA Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: 17 Dec 2010
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 4201 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 9:46pm
That much, I can guarantee, will not happen.  If the decision is made that King Crimson belongs in proto-prog, I will accept that and not complain even once, but frankly there is no way ANYBODY could legitimately believe they belong in avant-metal.
Back to Top
Andyman1125 View Drop Down
MMA Special Collaborator
MMA Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: 15 Jan 2011
Location: Rhode Island
Status: Offline
Points: 2068 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 9:49pm
That's perfectly acceptable LOL
I'm no avant-metal expert, I just thought Thrak and TCoL were rather experimental and "out-there"
My Bandcamp
Back to Top
Triceratopsoil View Drop Down
MMA Special Collaborator
MMA Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: 17 Dec 2010
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 4201 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 9:55pm
Originally posted by andyman1125 andyman1125 wrote:

That's perfectly acceptable LOL
I'm no avant-metal expert, I just thought Thrak and TCoL were rather experimental and "out-there"


Something can be somewhat avant without being metal
Back to Top
Andyman1125 View Drop Down
MMA Special Collaborator
MMA Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: 15 Jan 2011
Location: Rhode Island
Status: Offline
Points: 2068 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 9:57pm
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by andyman1125 andyman1125 wrote:

That's perfectly acceptable LOL
I'm no avant-metal expert, I just thought Thrak and TCoL were rather experimental and "out-there"


Something can be somewhat avant without being metal
I'm not arguing with you, I was just pointing out my thought process. Your experience with the genre is obviously far greater than mine, and therefore you have a more "educated" say on whether KC is avant-metal or not.
My Bandcamp
Back to Top
Triceratopsoil View Drop Down
MMA Special Collaborator
MMA Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: 17 Dec 2010
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 4201 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 10:03pm
:| I don't even know where this conversation is going LOL

I think we should just let the proto team puzzle this over
Back to Top
Andyman1125 View Drop Down
MMA Special Collaborator
MMA Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: 15 Jan 2011
Location: Rhode Island
Status: Offline
Points: 2068 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jan 2011 at 10:06pm
Good idea Tongue

What other useless things might we talk about? LOL
My Bandcamp
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1234>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 10.16
Copyright ©2001-2013 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.160 seconds.