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Unpopular opinon 1: I like Judas Priest's cover version of 'Johnny B. Goode'

Me too.

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Unpopular opinion 2: The two Ripper-fronted albums are quite good - they're even better than a couple of Halford-fronted ones.

I quite like Jugulator, however I've not been able to really get into Demolition. Granted I own the former but not the latter thus have spent more time with it. 

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Unpopular opinion 5: It's okay to like glam AND thrash metal.

Probably not un unpopular opinion here since we're an open-minded bunch, but for the wider metal world I'll second that one. That said, never have been grabbed by glam metal myself. 

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Unpopular opinion 7: I'm not really a Cannibal Corpse fan (don't dislike them, just never really got interested in them)

Same. Tried a couple of times, with each vocalist. Never really dug them. 

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Unpopular opinion 9: Manowar became a joke decades ago, and I have no interest in them anymore.

Wasn't Manowar always a bit of a joke? Wink

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Unpopular opinion 10: There's no such thing as true metal or false metal

Quite right. 

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Unpopular opinion 11: 'St. Anger' isn't that bad.

It was my gateway to metal album, so I'll always have a fondness for it. And no it really isn't that bad, but it does have some glaring problems. 

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Unpopular opinion 12: I like the four last Death albums better than the first three ines (but I do like the first three ones).

I think I'd agree, though I have a special liking for Leprosy. It was also the first straight death metal album I bought. 

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Unpopular opinion 13: Elitism and gatekeeping in metal is stupid, and there should be just as much room for, say, people of color, women, trans people, and gay people as there is for sweaty white guys in the metal fan community, and it's really annoying that a lot of metal elitists have injected talking points from the American culture wars into their gatekeeping. Fuck those assholes!

Agreed, but I think overall metal is very accepting. Don't forget that the singer of one of metal's most famous bands just happens to be gay. I also know of quite a few bands with black members, or trans people and there are more women playing (and into) metal than ever. 

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Unpopular opinion 14: While not a big fan of these genres, they're still metal: nu metal, alternative metal, metalcore, deathcore and gothic metal.

Preaching to the choir on this site, Kim. I'm not sure gothic metal has ever been up for debate the way those others have though. 

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Unpopular opinion 15: Some of the Tony Marting fronted Sabbath albums are better than some of the Ozzy fronted ones.

I'm quite neglectful where Sabbath is concerned. I haven't even heard all the Ozzy or Dio fronted ones. Never a Martin one. However he has worked with Arjen Lucassen a couple of times and he's good. 
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I'm adding a couple of mine from when this thread was first active:

Building off one of Kim's: Tim Owens was a fine singer for Iced Earth, just very different to Matt Barlow. That wasn't necessarily a bad thing. Also one of the worst things Iced Earth ever did was swapping singer back to Barlow in the middle of the Something Wicked duo, especially since they never made good on re-doing part 1 with Matt for continuity. But the first one was better anyway, so maybe that's just as well. 

There are more fantastic female singers in modern metal bands than there are male. 
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Hope this doesnt count as necroposting, love me some hot takes. Here's a few.

  • Pantera are violently overrated and if Dimebag hadnt been murdered they likely wouldnt see the amount of dickriding they get. 
  • Max Cavalera should have retired at the very least 10 years ago, that man has nothing interesting left to say.
  • Venom is not Black Metal. Venom has never been Black Metal. Venom will never be Black Metal. I do not care that they coined the term and I do not care that the First Wave of Black Metal sounded different to later examples of the genre. Venom were a shitty gimmick take on what Motorhead were doing and do not belong in any Black Metal discussion outside of the topic of influences. They are also rubbish.
  • Chris Barnes is a disgrace and he should just retire entirely from music in general.
  • Manowar fucking suck!
I'm also going to disagree with some of you - gatekeeping is sometimes good actually, necessary even. Like for example the people claiming that politics should be kept out of Metal, pointing at bands like System of a Down or Rage Against The Machine and saying shit like "you should stick to making music and stay out of politics". Those people need to be mercilessly gatekept until they either learn or leave. (note that I am only being slightly sarcastic) See also anyone claiming that women/minorities/etc have no place in Metal.

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We don't care about necroposting here. Always good to see an old topic get a new lease of life. 

I agree with some of yours, especially about Max Cavalera. I consider him one of metal's overrated figures, full stop.
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Venom are a rubbish Motörhead parody act? Does anyone disagree with that? I remember the hype when they hit the scene and thought they were wank at the time 😉
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Venom are a rubbish Motörhead parody act? Does anyone disagree with that? 😉

No, but that's what I love about them.
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  • Pantera are violently overrated and if Dimebag hadnt been murdered they likely wouldnt see the amount of dickriding they get. 


Yes and no. They were highly rated in their day for good reason. However, they were indecline before they split. The poor performances by Anselmo, the band's break-up, and the less than impressive post-Pantera music tarnished the reputation somewhat.

They do get too much dickriding though.



  • Max Cavalera should have retired at the very least 10 years ago, that man has nothing interesting left to say.


Yep. And anyone saying "no Max/Cavaleras, no Sepultura" is a fucking idiot and has missed a shit-load of great music.


  • Venom is not Black Metal. Venom has never been Black Metal. Venom will never be Black Metal. I do not care that they coined the term and I do not care that the First Wave of Black Metal sounded different to later examples of the genre. Venom were a shitty gimmick take on what Motorhead were doing and do not belong in any Black Metal discussion outside of the topic of influences. They are also rubbish.


Gonna disagree, but I'm not a big black metal fan.


  • Chris Barnes is a disgrace and he should just retire entirely from music in general.


Yep.


  • Manowar fucking suck!



Shitty people, but the occasional dose of pompous OTT power metal is fun.


  • I'm also going to disagree with some of you - gatekeeping is sometimes good actually, necessary even. Like for example the people claiming that politics should be kept out of Metal, pointing at bands like System of a Down or Rage Against The Machine and saying shit like "you should stick to making music and stay out of politics". Those people need to be mercilessly gatekept until they either learn or leave. (note that I am only being slightly sarcastic) See also anyone claiming that women/minorities/etc have no place in Metal.


Agree, but I don't reckon that's gatekeeping. It's more about being decent human beings.


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