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 Posted: 05 Jul 2010 at 6:09am |
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Raff, I really love these expressions "the biggest flaw for the less than successful nature of this disc", "he album�s ill-judged mix", "mercifully, the band avoided overstretching themselves", "what is meant as the disc�s highlight", "somewhat uncomfortable listening on account of its amateurish sound", and "it is to be hoped that, for any future efforts, the band will try to get
a better producer, and also tighten up on the compositional aspect"... that's a really classy way of saying "this shit fails" ;-) I wish I had the ability to do bashing with such style and class ;-)
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Raff
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Posted: 05 Jul 2010 at 6:41am |
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Thank you
 ! You know, it's easy to bash using four-letter words or their thinly-veiled surrogates - much less so to try and find something positive to say in order to avoid discouraging the musicians. Unless we're talking about really successful acts (like Metallica or Iron Maiden, for instance), those people have to hold day jobs in order to be able to play and record their music, and I believe we should at least respect the effort behind every release of this kind, even if we hate every minute of it.
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Posted: 14 Jul 2010 at 4:26pm |
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Just found this on the ProgressiveEars forum:
http://www.progressiveears.com/forums/thread.asp?ForumID=1&TopicID=121186&posttime=7%2F14%2F2010+2%3A17%3A42+PM&private= The review in question is now on PA's front page. This is one of the reasons why we should pay a lot of attention to anything that is published here. People have eyes, and will comment on what they find around the web. Edited by Raff - 14 Jul 2010 at 4:27pm |
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rushfan4
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Posted: 14 Jul 2010 at 4:45pm |
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link didn't work for me.
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Raff
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Posted: 14 Jul 2010 at 4:48pm |
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It does for me, and I'm not even a member anymore (deleted my membership a few days ago - don't like cliques
 ). Anyway, if you go on the ProgEars homepage, you'll see the thread- it's the first in the list as to now.
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Posted: 14 Jul 2010 at 4:51pm |
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The DT punctuation one. I kept looking for that on the MMA front page and couldn't figure out why I couldn't see it, but I see now that you say PA's front page. I suppose it is only a matter of time before it finds the MMA front page.
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Posted: 14 Jul 2010 at 4:52pm |
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Perhaps the people at PA should be told about that, but I'm not going to do it.
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Posted: 15 Jul 2010 at 1:44am |
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I�m biased about it really! The very concept of MMA and PA is that everyone are allowed to post reviews and not allowing "certain" people to write reviews seems a bit hostile to me and goes against the spirit of the concept. On the other hand there are some reviews so badly written or auto-translated that no one but the reviewer himself/ herself is able to get anything out of them and those reviews might actually be harmful to the site(s). So are we going to be harder on the reviewers who don�t write understandable English ( the really badly written ones) here on MMA than they are on PA?
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Posted: 15 Jul 2010 at 7:12am |
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Unfortunately, PA gained a bad reputation in the prog world because of those unedited reviews. I believe ProgEars adopted the best solution: they have a person who is in charge of editing the reviews submitted by the site members. On a related note, I don't think it's a question of being a native speaker or not, or at least not always. Neither you nor I are (nor is Kim, to name another), and yet we write much better reviews that many native speakers who ignore the rules of punctuation and spelling.
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Posted: 15 Jul 2010 at 7:47am |
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Maybe a review watchdog or two might be the solution. I�m not against that. As long as enthusiastic members are treated with respect. Guided and not scolded |
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Posted: 17 Jul 2010 at 1:30am |
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http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/the-final-frontier--review.aspx?id=219027
I don't believe he has heard the album. I could complain about the writing style as well, could use a bit of editing...
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Posted: 17 Jul 2010 at 2:57am |
And... the official date is August 16, we should encourage illegal download? Cause is kinda obvious that this is not an official release.
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Posted: 17 Jul 2010 at 3:06am |
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No we do not endorse illigal download, and until the official release date the review should be removed, unless of course, the reviewer have a promo copy.
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Posted: 17 Jul 2010 at 5:22am |
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OK guys, I've seen the review, and promptly PM'd Ovidiu, asking him to remove the review and repost it after the album's official release. If he doesn't, I'm going to delete the whole album entry (since here we can). We have to be very careful with high-profile releases like this one, and possibly avoid entering them in the DB before the official release date. Remember what happened on PA every time a well-known band released an album?
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Posted: 17 Jul 2010 at 6:46am |
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What happened?
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Posted: 17 Jul 2010 at 7:01am |
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I deleted the entry, since even deleting the review the rating would remain. The album will be added again on August 16 - I have all the data saved in a Word document. Since we don't have access to a 'delete rating/review' facility, this was the only thing to be done.
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Posted: 17 Jul 2010 at 1:26pm |
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I figured that out :-) but what was it that used to happen on PA whenever a well-known artist would release a new album?
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Posted: 17 Jul 2010 at 1:30pm |
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Tons of worthless reviews and either 5- or 1-star ratings (depending on whether we were dealing with worshippers or haters...). The Admins in charge of the reviews part of the site spent a lot of time deleting those unauthorized items, but no one would listen to us when we recommended not allowing the addition of the albums altogether.
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Posted: 17 Jul 2010 at 1:44pm |
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Oh, so like really rabid fans would 5-star an album that wasn't out yet and that they probably hadn't even heard yet? That's a big problem, to be sure.
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Posted: 17 Jul 2010 at 1:47pm |
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It happened all the time with Dream Theater... I remember, when Octavarium was due to come out, things got particularly bad.
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