"Math Metal" I.e. >>Prog Metal?

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Hi All,

I had noticed certain Bands that folks put up, were wondering what catagory to

put them (some are listed below) . . .

I put together a List of Bands that have more "Complex" Compositions but

are Metal and "Progressive" in nature.  Back in the mid 90's, I heard the term

"Math Metal" for the 1st time, and I think it explains alot.

It also takes care of anything that is Instrumental, Complex, with Melodic

"Clean Vocals", Death "Cookie Monster" Vocals and the Rough Thrash Vocals.

But its all about complexity, crazy time-signatures, odd-meter, progressive 

and fusion elements but within a Metal context.

Most of these Bands would probably end up in Prog Metal but may have a

"Sub-catagory" in their descriptions.

Recent Note: Please NOTE I say "would probably end up in Prog Metal", this

would probably be the easiest place to put the Tech Stuff without creating new

sub-catagories in the infantcy of this Forum.

But what do I know . . .

I'll add as well Tech-Thrash, Tech-Death Metal, Tech-Prog Metal where it draws

a fine line, and Math Core. There is a posibility that they could be in various

catagories.  Its just an idea, and to figure out where unusual Bands of this ilk 

might go.

If you look at the list, list some of Bands you know of that may fit with others

here.   But saying all that, Prog Metal would suffice.  The Tech-Thrash stuff will 

probably just go in Thrash anyways.

Math Metal (Includes Fusion Metal), Tech-Thrash, Tech-Death Metal, 

Tech-Prog Metal, Math Core:

Spiral Architect

Nevermore

Prototype

Meshuggah

Cynic

Gordian Knot

Portal (Cynic Members)

Anubis Gate

Spastic Ink

Watchtower

Pagans Mind

Cea Serin

Dreamscape

Control Denied

Katagory V

Twelfth Gate

Cacophony

7 for 4

Linear Sphere

Blotted Science

Animations

Gaia

To-Mera

Aghora

Continuo Renacer 

Andromeda

Circus Maximus

Thought Industry (possibly Avant Garde as well)

Depressive Age

Canvas Solaris

Psychotic Waltz

Darkstar (Psychotic Waltz Guitarists side project)

Behold . . . The Arctopus

Twisted Into Form

Disillusion

Wastefall

Degree Absolute 

Zero Hour

Scariot 

Cloudscape

Spheric Universe Experience

Thessera

Thought Chamber (Singer of Enchant!)

Fates Warning

The Collins/Wardingham Project

Planet X

Khallis

Mythologic

Zydra

Seiges Even

OHM 

Chris Poland (Ex-Megadeth)

Krysalyd

Anacrusis

Exivious 

A((wake))

Bulb

Tesseract

Instant Supression

Leprous

Cloudkicker

Koyaanisqatsy

Into Eternity

Scar Semmetry

Animals as Leaders

Dynahead

Kalisia

Menahem

Suspyre

Panzerballet

Atmosfear

Spaced Out 

Counter World Experience 

Zeroesque

Power of Omens

Realm

Sabbat(u.k.)

 -"Mourning has Broken" especially (I'm sure they will be in the Thrash catagory)

Forbidden

Powermad

Obscura

Arsis

Gorod

The Faceless

Necrophagist

Rosicrusian

Believer

Loudblast

Gardenian

Confessor

Darkane

Deathrow

Dllinger Escape Plan

Secrecy

I.N.C.

Textures

Theory In Practice 

Fredrik Thordendals Special Defects

Alarum

Psytroptic

Neuraxis

Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza

Toxic

Panic

Paradox

Candiria

Tournaquet

Xentrix

Extol

Ihsahn

Augury

Between the Buried and Me

Leviathan (of Colorado)

Vampire Moose

PsyOpus

Some of these bands I scratch my head as to where they'd exactly fit-in, so forgive.

I'll add more when they pop into my noggin'.  But please add any others you think

of and get them the recognition they deserve.

(Most of these you can check out on YOUtube as well).

Also check these Forums for more awesome Math Metal Madness! 

1. Spiral Architect Forum Thread:

http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/spiral-architect/254094-i-need-bands-like-spiral-architect.html

2. PrOgulus Forum Thread:

http://www.progulus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=451

Edited by MAVIIIVAM - 18 Apr 2010 at 5:21pm

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MAVIIIVAM Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: 07 Apr 2010 Location: Lost Angeles Status: Offline Points: 486	Post Options Post Reply Quote MAVIIIVAM Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: "Math Metal" I.e. >>Prog Metal? Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 2:47am
	Hi All, I had noticed certain Bands that folks put up, were wondering what catagory to put them (some are listed below) . . . I put together a List of Bands that have more "Complex" Compositions but are Metal and "Progressive" in nature. Back in the mid 90's, I heard the term "Math Metal" for the 1st time, and I think it explains alot. It also takes care of anything that is Instrumental, Complex, with Melodic "Clean Vocals", Death "Cookie Monster" Vocals and the Rough Thrash Vocals. But its all about complexity, crazy time-signatures, odd-meter, progressive and fusion elements but within a Metal context. Most of these Bands would probably end up in Prog Metal but may have a "Sub-catagory" in their descriptions. Recent Note: Please NOTE I say "would probably end up in Prog Metal", this would probably be the easiest place to put the Tech Stuff without creating new sub-catagories in the infantcy of this Forum. But what do I know . . . I'll add as well Tech-Thrash, Tech-Death Metal, Tech-Prog Metal where it draws a fine line, and Math Core. There is a posibility that they could be in various catagories. Its just an idea, and to figure out where unusual Bands of this ilk might go. If you look at the list, list some of Bands you know of that may fit with others here. But saying all that, Prog Metal would suffice. The Tech-Thrash stuff will probably just go in Thrash anyways. Math Metal (Includes Fusion Metal), Tech-Thrash, Tech-Death Metal, Tech-Prog Metal, Math Core: Spiral Architect Nevermore Prototype Meshuggah Cynic Gordian Knot Portal (Cynic Members) Anubis Gate Spastic Ink Watchtower Pagans Mind Cea Serin Dreamscape Control Denied Katagory V Twelfth Gate Cacophony 7 for 4 Linear Sphere Blotted Science Animations Gaia To-Mera Aghora Continuo Renacer Andromeda Circus Maximus Thought Industry (possibly Avant Garde as well) Depressive Age Canvas Solaris Psychotic Waltz Darkstar (Psychotic Waltz Guitarists side project) Behold . . . The Arctopus Twisted Into Form Disillusion Wastefall Degree Absolute Zero Hour Scariot Cloudscape Spheric Universe Experience Thessera Thought Chamber (Singer of Enchant!) Fates Warning The Collins/Wardingham Project Planet X Khallis Mythologic Zydra Seiges Even OHM Chris Poland (Ex-Megadeth) Krysalyd Anacrusis Exivious A((wake)) Bulb Tesseract Instant Supression Leprous Cloudkicker Koyaanisqatsy Into Eternity Scar Semmetry Animals as Leaders Dynahead Kalisia Menahem Suspyre Panzerballet Atmosfear Spaced Out Counter World Experience Zeroesque Power of Omens Realm Sabbat(u.k.) -"Mourning has Broken" especially (I'm sure they will be in the Thrash catagory) Forbidden Powermad Obscura Arsis Gorod The Faceless Necrophagist Rosicrusian Believer Loudblast Gardenian Confessor Darkane Deathrow Dllinger Escape Plan Secrecy I.N.C. Textures Theory In Practice Fredrik Thordendals Special Defects Alarum Psytroptic Neuraxis Tony Danza Tapdance Extravaganza Toxic Panic Paradox Candiria Tournaquet Xentrix Extol Ihsahn Augury Between the Buried and Me Leviathan (of Colorado) Vampire Moose PsyOpus Some of these bands I scratch my head as to where they'd exactly fit-in, so forgive. I'll add more when they pop into my noggin'. But please add any others you think of and get them the recognition they deserve. (Most of these you can check out on YOUtube as well). Also check these Forums for more awesome Math Metal Madness! 1. Spiral Architect Forum Thread: http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/spiral-architect/254094-i-need-bands-like-spiral-architect.html 2. PrOgulus Forum Thread: http://www.progulus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=451 Edited by MAVIIIVAM - 18 Apr 2010 at 5:21pm
	"If you're happy to be an Ant in the Sand Box, you're welcome to it!" -Forbidden For Progressive Metal and Prog Rock, come visit, request songs and explore at PrOgulus.com

Raff Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Senior Member Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Status: Offline Points: 1006	Post Options Post Reply Quote Raff Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 6:51am
	I am sure everyone appreciates the thought and effort gone into this list. However, the site hasn't been around for a month yet, and I don't think that at this point it's a good idea to multiply the genres in a way that some people might find confusing or frustrating. As the site gets established, and the membership grows, we can think about some 'subdivisions' in the extant subgenres like the ones you have suggested. At the moment, though, I'm afraid something like this might scare off prospective members - and let's not forget the lesson we should have learned from PA. Classification definitely has a very important role to play, but let's not have it become more important than the music itself.

UMUR Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List MMA Special Collaborator Errors & Omissions Team / Retired Admin Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 18264	Post Options Post Reply Quote UMUR Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 7:11am
	I must say I prefer fewer inclusive subs rather than too many subs that people might not know or find confusing. Some bands are very difficult to put in a box, but in time I�m sure all artists will find their right place and then maybe as Raff points out maybe then we should begin thinking about more subs.
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The T 666 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List MMA Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: 30 Mar 2010 Location: Hell Status: Offline Points: 479	Post Options Post Reply Quote The T 666 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 10:53am
	We can starts making sub-subgenre changes once we've reached a point where we can be 100% satisfied with the current situation of bands and genres in MMA. We're getting there. These kind of changes can occur (if it's agreed upon) when the first, essential part of the MMA-building work has been accomplished.


MAVIIIVAM Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: 07 Apr 2010 Location: Lost Angeles Status: Offline Points: 486	Post Options Post Reply Quote MAVIIIVAM Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 1:42pm
	Thats okay, Its just that many are calling it "Avant Garde" and if someone wants to check out these "genres", one may think "Meshuggah" will be like "Mr. Bungle" or visa-versa for example. Anyway, it was jus a thought.
	"If you're happy to be an Ant in the Sand Box, you're welcome to it!" -Forbidden For Progressive Metal and Prog Rock, come visit, request songs and explore at PrOgulus.com

MAVIIIVAM Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: 07 Apr 2010 Location: Lost Angeles Status: Offline Points: 486	Post Options Post Reply Quote MAVIIIVAM Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 Apr 2010 at 5:57pm
	By the way, I'm a bit confused, what catagory would this Fit-in?:
	"If you're happy to be an Ant in the Sand Box, you're welcome to it!" -Forbidden For Progressive Metal and Prog Rock, come visit, request songs and explore at PrOgulus.com