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    Posted: 10 Mar 2016 at 1:57am
In their most standard forms, do you prefer US style power metal (more rooted in heavy metal) or European style power metal (more rooted in speed metal)?

Please only vote if you understand the difference between the two! Many American bands play Euro power metal!
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I usually prefer the US power metal model, but mostly the harder edged artists who are usually tagged US Power/Thrash like Nevermore or Toxik. I can stomach the Euro power metal style too, but usually not as much.
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I voted for Euro, because it's my favorite style of music overall, while USPM just doesn't do it for me at all most of the time. 
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Euro on account of many of my favourite artists being from the genre. I do like USPM a lot as well and have especially had a phase on it during the last year or so, but I haven't quite added a USPM band to my all time favourites yet. Tell a lie, I have always ranked Iced Earth as a favourite but it's been quite a while since I listened to them regularly and they have always been on the borderline between US and Euro style to my ears, especially after the first few albums. 
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My understanding of the difference has always been that EuroPM is more keyboarddriven whereas the USPM is more guitardriven. And while I do like some bands considered Euro I much prefer the US style.

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US Power: Savatage, early QR, Crimson Glory, Jag Panzer, early Fates Warning, Titan Force, Omen, Virgin Steele, Manowar (some would argue although I grew up with them being EPIC METAL), Vicious Rumors, Leatherwolf, Oliver Magnum, Heir Apparent, etc, etc.

Euro Power: Helloween, Gamma Ray, Running Wild, Blind Guardian, Rage, Stratovarius, Angra (euro style really, even though on their first two they had very much their own thing going), Kamelot (more euro than US). Keyboard-driven is very much an exaggeration that mostly concerns bands like Stratovarius (later era too), Rhapsody, Nightwish and in general bands that have a permanent keyboard player. Certainly the first 5 names, which are the epicentre of the genre historically and quality-wise are not characterized by their use of keyboards (which exists but so it does in several american bands). But euro power has more stuff, or more american stuff, like Artch, Witchhammer, Crows, Morgana Lefay, Tad Morose, Brainstorm, which are all ballsy power metal bands that don't follow the Keeper or the double-bass drumming everywhere cliches of the genre.

In any case, Kai Hansen is in my top 5 musicians in metal and I love Blind Guardian and Running Wild to death (as well as Morgana Lefay) but overall, I will give it to the US Power Metal scene for being more varied.
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I enjoy both, but I prefer US Power. Most of my favorite power metal bands come from the US style.
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European, but I do like both kinds.
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The heavier US power metal for me. 
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European, although power metal isn't a real favourite of mine. I wasn't going to vote until Vic listed the bands, which cleared it up a bit for me.Embarrassed
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Originally posted by Wyvern_13 Wyvern_13 wrote:

My understanding of the difference has always been that EuroPM is more keyboarddriven whereas the USPM is more guitardriven. And while I do like some bands considered Euro I much prefer the US style.


That's a common description, though far too generalised to be completely accurate. You're more likely to get keyboards in Euro power but they are far from mandatory. Nor are they outright taboo in US power.
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US Power
I just listen to more bands than Euro-power.

Also, Euro-power tends to be more predictable and often cheesy




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Originally posted by TheHeavyMetalCat TheHeavyMetalCat wrote:


That's a common description, though far too generalised to be completely accurate. You're more likely to get keyboards in Euro power but they are far from mandatory. Nor are they outright taboo in US power.


Obviously its more complex then that, since Power Metal is a pretty evolving genre, but when describing the difference to someone who doesnt know any better I think its more then efficient to get them started. Especially since, to me at least, what exactly Speed Metal is has never been very well defined so the rooted in Heavy vs Speed comparison falls short.

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From another forum, which contained a post from another forum, now posted in this forum (INCEPTION!). Hopefully it will help a bit with the labels...

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Speed Metal is quite a broad term and there is tons of confusion as to what it really is, so it's not as straightforward to throw recommendations. What was once considered a speed metal band, a couple of years later was considered a thrash or a powermetal band, so it really depends on what you're looking for. At the beginning, all those terms were thrown interchangeably, along with black and death metal too...Speed Metal is not really a genre, it's a characteristic of the music (ie, fast) and it is far more accurate to say that there are MANY speed metal songs, quite a few speed metal albums (speed/thrash or speed/power or something in between) and very, very few speed metal bands.

From another forum, regarding the origins of the term power metal and its usage, especially between Europe and the US/Canada:

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Power metal as a term originated in the US, to describe the heavier bands from say Iron Maiden, Sababth, U.F.O, Riot, Priest, the Scorpions, Whitesnake, NWOBHM bands, you know, the heavy metal bands of the beginning of the 80s. The term just meant "intense heavy metal" (faster, heavier or both) and it was adopted by the younger generation as evidenced by the Metallica demo Jasonic mentioned. I'm not aware of who first coined the term and how widespread it was at the beginning. 

I do know that it was used by fans in the US (I've talked to some and the testimonies here confirm it) for a mixture of bands, who by todays standards could be labelled as heavy, powerspeed or thrash metal. In short, at the beginning the term was used rather loosely. 

It definitely got used to describe the more melodic thrash metal bands, like early Overkill, Metallica's Ride the Lightning, Metal Church etc. If at this point it was used to describe Jag Panzer, I do not know, maybe Mark can shed some light on that. 

Speed metal was also a term used interchangeably. It was used to describe fast metal, whether it was fast heavy metal like Raven, Anvil, the faster Venom songs or the new generation of thrash metal bands, like Kill Em All, Fistful of Metal, Megadeth of course (who had the classic backprint slogan "world's state of the art speed metal"). Thrash got big, so speed metal for the better part of the 80s meant "thrash metal", before that term (around 86-87) got globally embedded to the metalhead's vocabulary

Speed metal on the other hand got abandoned, primarily because musicians hated the trend of trying to be faster than anyone else, the term soon felt derogatory to them. I remind you of the Cliff Burton quote that they don't need to play at a thousand miles per hour. Slayer, after destroying all competition with Reign in Blood and the two de facto thrash anthems from that album, proceeded to release the (doom by their standards!) South of Heaven. 

Power metal in Europe wasn't really adopted until the Keepers. A logical transition, since their seminal speed metal debut (literally speed and a fine example of power metal melody combined with thrash metal intensity and heaviness) fitted the power metal definition of the Americans. When they dropped the speed and the intensity, it was the only logical term to describe their music. The term was adopted for the entire booming German scene at the time of which Helloween was the most successful (and arguably the best), at first they were called interchangeably powerspeed, even thrash(see Running Wild and Rage but also Iron Angel, Angel Dust, Scanner, Blind Guardian etc) and slowly that stabilized to power metal, after speed metalwas ousted from mainstream vocabulary (a shame). 

From that point onwards, at least in Europe power metal stopped being a synonym for early melodic thrash bands and instead got used for the bands that were more intense than the aforementioned heavy metal bands. So, Jag Panzer, early Queensryche, Vicious Rumors, Savatage, Crimson Glory, Leatherwolf, Oliver Magnum, early Helstar etc, around mid to late 80s, at least in Europe were the US Power Metal scene and remain to this day, at least in Greece, where we take all this shit very seriously indeed. We never adopted the german terms (melodic metal or true metal or any of those).
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Originally posted by Vic Vic wrote:

From another forum, which contained a post from another forum, now posted in this forum (INCEPTION!). Hopefully it will help a bit with the labels...

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Speed Metal is quite a broad term and there is tons of confusion as to what it really is, so it's not as straightforward to throw recommendations. What was once considered a speed metal band, a couple of years later was considered a thrash or a powermetal band, so it really depends on what you're looking for. At the beginning, all those terms were thrown interchangeably, along with black and death metal too...Speed Metal is not really a genre, it's a characteristic of the music (ie, fast) and it is far more accurate to say that there are MANY speed metal songs, quite a few speed metal albums (speed/thrash or speed/power or something in between) and very, very few speed metal bands.

From another forum, regarding the origins of the term power metal and its usage, especially between Europe and the US/Canada:

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Power metal as a term originated in the US, to describe the heavier bands from say Iron Maiden, Sababth, U.F.O, Riot, Priest, the Scorpions, Whitesnake, NWOBHM bands, you know, the heavy metal bands of the beginning of the 80s. The term just meant "intense heavy metal" (faster, heavier or both) and it was adopted by the younger generation as evidenced by the Metallica demo Jasonic mentioned. I'm not aware of who first coined the term and how widespread it was at the beginning. 

I do know that it was used by fans in the US (I've talked to some and the testimonies here confirm it) for a mixture of bands, who by todays standards could be labelled as heavy, powerspeed or thrash metal. In short, at the beginning the term was used rather loosely. 

It definitely got used to describe the more melodic thrash metal bands, like early Overkill, Metallica's Ride the Lightning, Metal Church etc. If at this point it was used to describe Jag Panzer, I do not know, maybe Mark can shed some light on that. 

Speed metal was also a term used interchangeably. It was used to describe fast metal, whether it was fast heavy metal like Raven, Anvil, the faster Venom songs or the new generation of thrash metal bands, like Kill Em All, Fistful of Metal, Megadeth of course (who had the classic backprint slogan "world's state of the art speed metal"). Thrash got big, so speed metal for the better part of the 80s meant "thrash metal", before that term (around 86-87) got globally embedded to the metalhead's vocabulary

Speed metal on the other hand got abandoned, primarily because musicians hated the trend of trying to be faster than anyone else, the term soon felt derogatory to them. I remind you of the Cliff Burton quote that they don't need to play at a thousand miles per hour. Slayer, after destroying all competition with Reign in Blood and the two de facto thrash anthems from that album, proceeded to release the (doom by their standards!) South of Heaven. 

Power metal in Europe wasn't really adopted until the Keepers. A logical transition, since their seminal speed metal debut (literally speed and a fine example of power metal melody combined with thrash metal intensity and heaviness) fitted the power metal definition of the Americans. When they dropped the speed and the intensity, it was the only logical term to describe their music. The term was adopted for the entire booming German scene at the time of which Helloween was the most successful (and arguably the best), at first they were called interchangeably powerspeed, even thrash(see Running Wild and Rage but also Iron Angel, Angel Dust, Scanner, Blind Guardian etc) and slowly that stabilized to power metal, after speed metalwas ousted from mainstream vocabulary (a shame). 

From that point onwards, at least in Europe power metal stopped being a synonym for early melodic thrash bands and instead got used for the bands that were more intense than the aforementioned heavy metal bands. So, Jag Panzer, early Queensryche, Vicious Rumors, Savatage, Crimson Glory, Leatherwolf, Oliver Magnum, early Helstar etc, around mid to late 80s, at least in Europe were the US Power Metal scene and remain to this day, at least in Greece, where we take all this shit very seriously indeed. We never adopted the german terms (melodic metal or true metal or any of those).

Interesting history lesson!Clap Certainly makes sense.
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Thanks :)

It is a pet peeve of mine, the whole mixup between these labels and genres. If labels and genres serve to confuse more than to disambiguate, then that's a big problem...
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Like both, but Euro has it's advantages.
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Here on MMA we obviously think of speed metal as a separate genre (after all we had Max add it as a new sub when we didn't have it originally), but I agree that there is a very fine line between the whole spectrum of power (both kinds), speed, thrash and even trad. 

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USPM for me too.
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Euro style has more of my favourites.
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