Debate: Satori by Flower Travellin' Band is metal

Unitron wrote: Would you call Black Sabbath heavy psych or proto-metal rather than Heavy Metal?

That's not actually what I meant. Heavy Metal existed in an early form since 1970 and Black Sabbath's debut. But it takes a bit of time before any genre evolves to have a standardised sound. Take later metal genres like black metal for instance: You have to of course throw out most of the so called first wave because a lot of those bands had nothing to do with the actual genre of black metal, but those that did like Bathory were much more based in thrash metal than the standardised sound as popularised by the early Norwegian scene is. Mayhem themselves were much the same.

That doesn't mean those early releases don't deserve to be counted as the new fledgling genre by any means. It just means they still have pretty strong aspects of other styles, in the case of early heavy metal mainly meaning hard rock and heavy psych but also blues rock, which Black Sabbath certainly had aspects of. It really wasn't until Sad Wings of Destiny that any metal band really began to shake the hard rock roots off (and even then Judas Priest had more hard rock leaning albums after that point). For the black metal example, thrash metal files the role that hard rock does for heavy metal. For another example speed metal is to (Euro) power metal what hard rock is to early heavy metal. It's not simply coincidence that many of those early German power metal bands played speed metal on their earliest releases.

Back to topic: No one here is denying that Satori is heavy psych, just making a case that it's heavy psych and heavy metal.

^ agreed, therefore we REALLY need a heavy psych to include those few early bands that were still in that world like Blue Cheer and Flower Travelin Band. 

Sooo traditional heavy metal until we have a heavy psych tag?

Sounds metal enough to me.

^Great, it's about time!