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adg211288 ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Black Metal, Prog/AG Teams Joined: 05 Nov 2010 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 22331 |
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German prog/tech death metallers Obscura drop their latest album A Sonication today but band leader Steffen Kummerer has over recent weeks faced accusations of having used material previously submitted for consideration by now former band members that, upon their withdrawals from the band, they were assured would not be used. But now those former band members - Alex Weber and Christian Münzner - have stated that this is the case.
Weber made a statement:
As did Weber's Exist bandmate Max Phelps:
Christian has also made comments:
Steffen Kummerer has responded:
I don't really know who to believe over this but there is supposedly some video evidence from the Exist guys (which I've not seen) which details what's been stolen from them. Obscura was among the first death metal acts I really got into. Not enough to follow them closely - I only ever bought three of their albums to date although I was always interested in adding more to my collection - but Omnivium was one of the first death metal records I bought. The band has never been known for having a stable line-up and the suggestion that Steffen Kummerer is difficult to work with has been made before. But this seems next level shitty if true. I've heard the album. It's okay. They've done far better ones before. Maybe my opinion of it is being coloured by these accusations. It's getting rating bombed on RYM which started even before release.
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Not heard this one yet but it's out of order if true.
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UMUR ![]() MMA Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team / Retired Admin Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 18311 |
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I´ll give it a listen as I´ve done with every Obscura album before it, but if the copy stories are true, it´s definitely a shitty move by Kummerer. I would personally be furious if someone stole music from me, which I wrote. The same if someone stole my review database and started posting the reviews as if they had written them.
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I don't think I'll listen to it, despite loving their last couple. Even in his statement, Steffen simply says he let his old bandmates hear it, but doesn't try to say he never stole ideas from them after telling them he wouldn't, soconsidering the other side has actual evidence, I think it's pretty clear he is in the wrong.
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adg211288 ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Black Metal, Prog/AG Teams Joined: 05 Nov 2010 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 22331 |
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I really want this not to be true but I have this sinking feeling that it is.
I keep trying to tell myself that it can't be true because it is such a dumb thing to do if it is. Did Steffen really think his ex-bandmates wouldn't notice? Is he trying commit career suicide?
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UMUR ![]() MMA Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Errors & Omissions Team / Retired Admin Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 18311 |
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This will not go down well with the metal community, if this is proven to be correct, that´s for sure. stealing from colleagues...ugh.
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adg211288 ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Black Metal, Prog/AG Teams Joined: 05 Nov 2010 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 22331 |
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If true it's a band ending mistake...well maybe not in these days of being able to record music as an unsigned artist but I think the label will drop them like a lead balloon and he's going to find it very hard to find another willing to take him on, which will perhaps apply to his other band Thulcandra also.
What's the bet another Obscura line-up quickly jumps ship over this just to start with?
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If he can keep a lineup after this then like so many other incidents this will be largely forgotten, methinks. Hell, he could just take a break and come back in a few years and all will be well. Personally, I think this should be the end of Steffen Kummerer's career in Metal, or at the very least the end of Obscura. Assuming the allegations are true of course (I havent cared to check out any of the songs in question) but based on his response in particular I'm inclined to believe they are.
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