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Forum Name: Suggest new bands/artists to MMA
Forum Description: Suggest, create polls, and classify new bands you would like included on Metal Music Archives
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Topic: Savatage
Posted By: NJCat_11
Subject: Savatage
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2010 at 2:53pm
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I was looking for Savatage for a review I'm planning on writing but, when I didn't see them under Progressive Metal, I checked Thrash Metal, and having seen no trace of them there either, proceded to look them up in the alphabetical S section. They are listed in Power Metal, which I think is very inaccurate. ------------- http://www.chess.com/members/view/NJCat?ref_id=1432587 - Come and play me at Chess.com http://www.youtube.com/user/NJCat?feature=mhw4 - Homepage |
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2010 at 4:38pm
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I think they should be traditional heavy metal or progressive metal. Definitely not thrash, and probably not power metal. Great, highly underrated band. Streets: A Rock Opera is one of my all time favorite albums! ------------- Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: NJCat_11
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2010 at 4:47pm
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J-Man wrote:Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2010 at 12:21pm
That's true. But keep in mind, many of the listings are changed from PA on MMA. I think that it would be a bit of a stretch to call Savatage full-blown prog metal, but they would fit much better there than in power metal. I would only consider a few Savatage albums as progressive metal, but all of their albums fit in the heavy metal label. -Jeff ------------- Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: NJCat_11
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2010 at 12:33pm
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I guess you're the expert when it comes to Progressive Metal, so I'll leave the decision up to you.
In any case, they're not Power Metal.
My favorite album of their's is either Hall of the Mountain King or Gutter Ballet, can't decide. ------------- http://www.chess.com/members/view/NJCat?ref_id=1432587 - Come and play me at Chess.com http://www.youtube.com/user/NJCat?feature=mhw4 - Homepage |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2010 at 12:51pm
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Well I always thought of Savatage as a US power metal/ heavy metal act so I actually think they fit very well in the power metal sub. As I understand the idea for MMA ( look at this thread: http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=122 - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=122 ) is that each album will be tagged. Which means that some Savatage albums will be tagged both progressive metal, Traditional Heavy Metal and Power metal while some might not have the progressive metal tag. Pretty interesting and quite different from the way PA works. ------------- http://www.lyngby-boldklub.dk/" rel="nofollow - Forever TRUE - Forever BLUE! https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: dean
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2010 at 12:56pm
Being biased, I'd only identify "Fight For The Rock" as power metal   -------------  |
Posted By: NJCat_11
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2010 at 1:03pm
I really hope this tagging system is going to be more organized than Last.FM ------------- http://www.chess.com/members/view/NJCat?ref_id=1432587 - Come and play me at Chess.com http://www.youtube.com/user/NJCat?feature=mhw4 - Homepage |
Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2010 at 8:32pm
I moved them to PROG METAL. |
Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2010 at 8:32pm
| Some albums may be non-prog ? |
Posted By: The T 666
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2010 at 8:39pm
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I have heard only two of their albums, which I have reviewed. Those are Hail of the Mountain King and Edge of Thorns. Both regarded as prog-metal by some people. As I say in my reviews, only power metal to me. Not that being prog-metal is better than being power metal. But definitely, it's not prog-metal at all. For me. ------------- 
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Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2010 at 8:41pm
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Oh.... I can move them back if the PROG METAL team dont want them ? Sorry , I thought it was clear and a mistake to have them 1st importer in POWER METAL.  |
Posted By: Stephen
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2010 at 9:46pm
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either Trad Heavy Metal or Prog Metal should be fine, but maybe judging by their later release, Prog Metal should be more appropriate :) |
Posted By: 1967/ 1976
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2010 at 2:53am
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This one of the borderline bands between Prog, Power and Trad metal for me. One or another category is good, for me. ------------- 
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Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2010 at 5:18am
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Is it possible that some of their early stuff is Trad. HM and later PROG METAL & POWER METAL ? |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2010 at 6:20am
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^Exactly. The first two albums are traditional heavy metal IMO, I�m not too sure where I would put Fight for the Rock ( maybe traditional too) but both Mountain King and Gutter Ballet are usually called US power metal. I haven�t heard Streets but it�s sometimes refered to as progressive metal? I would tag both Edge of Thorns and Handful of Rain as US Power metal while Dead Winter Dead should probably be tagged progressive metal. I�m not familiar with The Wake and Poets and Madmen.
Savatage is not usually labelled progressive metal in metal communities and if you ask me they should probably be in prog-related more than in the full progressive metal catagory on PA ( hence some of the confusion here I�m sure). So I say most of their albums shouldn�t be tagged progressive metal here on MMA. Just my opinion  ------------- http://www.lyngby-boldklub.dk/" rel="nofollow - Forever TRUE - Forever BLUE! https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2010 at 6:37am
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Let's use the UMUR suggestions here and start with that. Further discussions/reviews will help re-tag (if necessary) Ok for you The T 666 ? Need help doing that ?  |
Posted By: dean
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2010 at 6:48am
But... but... the three albums he hasn't heard Streets, The Wake of Magelan and Poets & Madmen are Prog Metal...  ------------- |
Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2010 at 6:51am
Of course theses 3 are PROG METAL (and really good also) |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2010 at 7:36am
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I think having them included in both traditional heavy metal, power metal and progressive metal ( which will happen if we tag them as suggested above) is valid and more importantly gives them exposure to fans of all three kinds of music. ------------- http://www.lyngby-boldklub.dk/" rel="nofollow - Forever TRUE - Forever BLUE! https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: The T 666
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2010 at 11:44am
I can only give my opinions for the two albums I own. They are power metal. But I certainly agree with people with more knowledge to assign tags for each one of their albums. Including these two of course, if there is disagreement.  -------------
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2010 at 11:59am
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Yes, plus a good majority of their stuff is traditional heavy metal, so depending on where the majority of their albums go they'll probably end up in Traditional, power, or progressive. ------------- Lost respect for these archives when I saw Creed added, among other bands. Not going to be foruming here anymore. You can keep my reviews if you want. |
Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2010 at 1:01pm
Is there some willing to wrap-up and re-tag these albums ? From Trad. to Power to Prog. |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2010 at 3:59am
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Well if I�m allowed to tag the albums like I suggested and add the progressive metal tag to the three albums Dean mentioned, I�ll do it. I might even have time to add some missing info while I�m there. ------------- http://www.lyngby-boldklub.dk/" rel="nofollow - Forever TRUE - Forever BLUE! https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2010 at 3:06pm
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^GO ! |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2010 at 4:40pm
Just my two cents of their entire discography (from a Savatage fanboy  ):Sirens: Traditional Heavy Metal Power of the Night: Traditional Heavy Metal Fight For The Rock: Traditional Heavy Metal Hall of the Mountain King: Traditional Heavy Metal (Power Metal works as well) Gutter Ballet: Traditional Heavy Metal (Power metal works as well) Streets: Progressive Metal Edge of Thorns: Power Metal Handful of Rain: Power Metal Dead Winter Dead: Progressive Metal The Wake of Magellan: Progressive Metal Poets & Madmen: Progressive Metal ------------- Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2010 at 4:56pm
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^ I really second that (as a semi fan boy) |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2010 at 6:14pm
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Posted By: NJCat_11
Date Posted: 15 Apr 2010 at 7:16pm
 That definitely works.------------- http://www.chess.com/members/view/NJCat?ref_id=1432587 - Come and play me at Chess.com http://www.youtube.com/user/NJCat?feature=mhw4 - Homepage |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 4:01pm
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Alright... Unless there are any objections, I will tag all of the albums with the list I posted earlier. ------------- Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: NJCat_11
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 4:05pm
Looks good. ------------- http://www.chess.com/members/view/NJCat?ref_id=1432587 - Come and play me at Chess.com http://www.youtube.com/user/NJCat?feature=mhw4 - Homepage |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 4:09pm
Hmm... I'm tagging Fight For The Rock right now... should that be non-metal? There are a few metal tracks, but about half of the album is AOR.... ------------- Check out my YouTube channel! http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/user/demiseoftime |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 4:14pm
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I'm going to tag The Dungeons Are Calling as Trad. Heavy Metal... I'll leave everything else (DVDs, compilations, live albums) in their current subgenre for now.
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Posted By: NJCat_11
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 4:14pm
No, I'd put it in Traditional HM. It's definitely metal in my mind. ------------- http://www.chess.com/members/view/NJCat?ref_id=1432587 - Come and play me at Chess.com http://www.youtube.com/user/NJCat?feature=mhw4 - Homepage |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 4:18pm
^^ Good... I agree... that album is pretty arguable at times, so I figured I'd ask. 
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2010 at 8:00am
I've applied this. I'll close this topic now. ------------- 
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