Operation:Mindcrime vs The Crimson Idol
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Topic: Operation:Mindcrime vs The Crimson Idol
Posted By: LittleBig
Subject: Operation:Mindcrime vs The Crimson Idol
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2015 at 3:34am
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Little while ago, I saw an argument on another metal forum as which one of these two albums is better and so on, so I thought I should ask you, too. Two excellent concept albums, but which one satisfies you more? I have always listened to The Crimson Idol more, but O:M is a monster album as well, no vote from me for now, it's definitely a head scratcher  (I'm inventing words, sorry about that). |
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2015 at 3:59am
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Haven´t heard Crimson Idol, so I can´t vote. WASP was just not a band I grew up with, although I knew of their existence. I´ll make amends at some point. ------------- http://www.lyngby-boldklub.dk/" rel="nofollow - Forever TRUE - Forever BLUE! https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2015 at 8:39am
| I enjoy WASP but Queensryche get my vote - a classic for sure. |
Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2015 at 3:48pm
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Wasp didn't fuck The Crimson Idol by releasing The Crimson Idol II. I first heard "The Needle Lies" from Operation: Mindcrime on a compilation and loved it. So when I bought the actual album, I found it a bit disappointing. I did eventually get into it though. Crimson Idol was similar, a bit of a slow starter, but it's got chainsaws in it, so it wins.
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Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2015 at 9:09pm
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Love Mindcrime, but never heard Crimson Idol. Should fix that soon. ------------- If I say fuck two more times that's forty-six fucks in this fucked up rhyme |
Posted By: Vic
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2015 at 1:03pm
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I am shocked at the number of people who have not heard The Crimson Idol. Top 3 (or even best) WASP album. I will vote for it in protest (and to avoid the trouble of choosing between them!) ------------- 42 |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2015 at 12:46am
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QUeensryche for me, but i love all the 80s WASP albums and Crimson Idol is a masterpiece that needs to be heard by everyone! A very close second ------------- 
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Posted By: Jbird
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2015 at 7:20pm
| Voted for O:M, I was never much of a WASP fan, though they have a few decent tunes. And yes, I have heard Crimson Idol, a buddy of mine I used to be in a band with is a big WASP fan. We used to play Widowmaker in that band. |
Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 9:57am
| Mindcrime. |
Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 10:09am
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Okay this is probably going to sound bad, but... I've never heard Operation Mindcrime. Not even a single song. And... I'd never even heard of The Crimson Idol before this thread was made. I'll just run away and hide now. ------------- Earn Money Online (NOT a scam): https://premium.gg2u.org?referrer=adg211288" rel="nofollow - GG2U https://adamsfilmcorner.quora.com/" rel="nofollow - Adam's Film Corner on Quora |
Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 10:11am
Have you heard any Queensryche?  ------------- If I say fuck two more times that's forty-six fucks in this fucked up rhyme |
adg211288 wrote:Posted By: Bosh66
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 10:12am
Kids  Actually I have the album (OM) and always thought it over-rated, which is probably a greater heresy in the metal world.
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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 10:54am
No. That just made the whole thing sound even worse didn't it? Not really sure why and I acknowledge I'm probably missing out on an essential release or two, but they've always been a band I've never felt inspired to check out. One day I will probably change that and most likely kick myself, but when that will be I have no idea. ------------- Earn Money Online (NOT a scam): https://premium.gg2u.org?referrer=adg211288" rel="nofollow - GG2U https://adamsfilmcorner.quora.com/" rel="nofollow - Adam's Film Corner on Quora |
Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 11:23am
| I haven't even heard that much of both albums. Neither bands really interest me that much bu from what I heard Mindcrime was better. I especially don't listen to QR that much because they just bore me sometimes. I do enjoy their first EP which was very fun. |
Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 12:05pm
Sometimes there's a reason we never feel inclined to listen to something, but if you ever get to listening to them I think you may like their earlier albums. They kind of have a US power metal sound to them. Especially the debut EP that Thatcher mentioned.
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2015 at 1:48pm
If you enjoy acts like Fates Warning and Crimson Glory (and I know that you at least enjoy the latter), you should definitely check out at least Operation Mindcrime. I think you´d enjoy the debut a lot too. Anything up and until Promised Land is worth a listen though, but I´d recommend those two before anything else knowing your tastes a bit. Tate used to be an incredible singer (probably one of the most talented 80s heavy metal singers Í´ve heard), and the rest of the band are very well playing too. Definitely a band you shouldn´t miss out on. ------------- http://www.lyngby-boldklub.dk/" rel="nofollow - Forever TRUE - Forever BLUE! https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: Dobbie03
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 12:32am
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I personally don't like either album or band. Not my cup of tea. ------------- Be excellent to each other. |
Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 9:05am
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Must be some kind of omen but today I was digging around a used CD shop and came across Rage for Order for £3. That's the sort of incentive to try a band I like. Haven't played it yet though. They also had Promised Land but I had limited cash on me and there were a couple of other albums I wanted so I basically took pot luck on which Queensrÿche to get. ------------- Earn Money Online (NOT a scam): https://premium.gg2u.org?referrer=adg211288" rel="nofollow - GG2U https://adamsfilmcorner.quora.com/" rel="nofollow - Adam's Film Corner on Quora |
Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 10:18am
Rage for Order's a great album, has a cool futuristic atmosphere to it. Definitely not a bad start.  ------------- If I say fuck two more times that's forty-six fucks in this fucked up rhyme |
Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 12:19pm
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It didn't exactly blow me away on first listen, but maybe it'll grow on me. ------------- Earn Money Online (NOT a scam): https://premium.gg2u.org?referrer=adg211288" rel="nofollow - GG2U https://adamsfilmcorner.quora.com/" rel="nofollow - Adam's Film Corner on Quora |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 2:38pm
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^Never been my favorite either, but as mentioned above it has a pretty cool futuristic atmosphere that I enjoy. You´d be surprised if you give Operation Mindcrime a chance. It´s very different to Rage for Order IMO. ------------- http://www.lyngby-boldklub.dk/" rel="nofollow - Forever TRUE - Forever BLUE! https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 2:56pm
I'm actually wondering if Rage for Order even belongs under prog metal here, after hearing it. ------------- Earn Money Online (NOT a scam): https://premium.gg2u.org?referrer=adg211288" rel="nofollow - GG2U https://adamsfilmcorner.quora.com/" rel="nofollow - Adam's Film Corner on Quora |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 2:57pm
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Kind of proggy in Places, but US power wouldn´t be wrong either IMO. The same with the debut.
But Queensrÿche was never an overtly progressive act. Even their most proggy tracks aren´t exactly "Dream Theater prog metal". It´s melodic US power with proggy leanings. ------------- http://www.lyngby-boldklub.dk/" rel="nofollow - Forever TRUE - Forever BLUE! https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 3:01pm
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Yeah there's certainly the same kind of melodic element there that Crimson Glory has and their debut at least is often included in USPM lists. ------------- Earn Money Online (NOT a scam): https://premium.gg2u.org?referrer=adg211288" rel="nofollow - GG2U https://adamsfilmcorner.quora.com/" rel="nofollow - Adam's Film Corner on Quora |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 3:04pm
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I just remembered that I thought of a couple of other recommendations for you in that genre. Heir Apparent and Lethal. ------------- http://www.lyngby-boldklub.dk/" rel="nofollow - Forever TRUE - Forever BLUE! https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 3:10pm
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I remember shifting both down to US Power when the sub was added, but I haven't tried them yet. A lot of acts usually counted as USPM are on the site but in other subs, including Queensrÿche, but so far only ones that were already in power have been moved. I have no problem moving early Queensrÿche there, though I personally feel a bit stronger about early Fates Warning after hearing Awaken the Guardian. ------------- Earn Money Online (NOT a scam): https://premium.gg2u.org?referrer=adg211288" rel="nofollow - GG2U https://adamsfilmcorner.quora.com/" rel="nofollow - Adam's Film Corner on Quora |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 3:16pm
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I personally wouldn´t mind the first three Fates Warning albums moved to US power, but it´s not my decision to make. ------------- http://www.lyngby-boldklub.dk/" rel="nofollow - Forever TRUE - Forever BLUE! https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: Jbird
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 8:23pm
| Rage For Order is actually my favorite Queensryche album. Everybody tells me I'm crazy that I like it better than O:M |
Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2015 at 8:37pm
You're not alone, Rage for Order's also probably my favorite. ------------- If I say fuck two more times that's forty-six fucks in this fucked up rhyme |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2015 at 2:16am
^You´re both crazy  ------------- http://www.lyngby-boldklub.dk/" rel="nofollow - Forever TRUE - Forever BLUE! https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2015 at 9:59am
^Maybe I am, in fact I probably am seeing as I like some of their post-Promised Land albums.  ------------- If I say fuck two more times that's forty-six fucks in this fucked up rhyme |
Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2015 at 4:47am
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My second listen to Rage for Order didn't really do anything to change my mind about it, to be honest. It's good but I don't see it being an album I'll pull off my shelf too often. I expect I'll still try out Mindcrime though, probably sooner rather than later now and probably The Warning as well. ------------- Earn Money Online (NOT a scam): https://premium.gg2u.org?referrer=adg211288" rel="nofollow - GG2U https://adamsfilmcorner.quora.com/" rel="nofollow - Adam's Film Corner on Quora |
Posted By: Lynx33
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2015 at 5:06am
mine too  ------------- All that is over. Today, I know how to celebrate beauty. |