Djent
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Topic: Djent
Posted By: Prog Geo
Subject: Djent
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 2:58pm
| I had created this topic at General music discussions in PA.It was a good topic.So,I start it here too. |
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 3:16pm
I'm not very familiar with the style (most of the bands that use extensive djent riffing aren't my cup of tea, so to speak), but I do enjoy bands like Meshuggah from time to time. 
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 3:43pm
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I�m still not familiar enough with the term Djent to comment. Anyone who can give a good explanation to what Djent is?
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Posted By: Andyman1125
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 3:48pm
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Ah gotta love them djent-ers. From Periphery to Meshuggah, that style is extremely unique and refreshing amongst the now "standard" prog metal that was refreshing in the 90s. Always good to hear experimentation. And UMUR: Djent is a style of heavy metal that utilizes heavily downtuned or 7- and 8-string guitars with boosted mids and a lot of bending to make an "up down" kind of metal riff. Example: ------------- http://bit.ly/kZR7BC" rel="nofollow">  http://andywebb.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - My Bandcamp
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 4:15pm
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I rather like the founders of djent like Meshuggah and Fredrik Thordendal. Spacey, odd shifting experimental music with more groove than you can shake a stick at. I can't say I care for what djent has turned into such as Periphery and vildhjarta, where the riffs have been made into a more catchy accessible format and it's closer to alternative or post hardcore than actual metal. I find the post-hardcore elements in these bands extremely annoying and I don't think the mix works well. ------------- Lost respect for these archives when I saw Creed added, among other bands. Not going to be foruming here anymore. You can keep my reviews if you want. |
Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 4:19pm
| There's a fantastic band.They're called Katatura.They played Djent with death metal vocals.Awesome stuff. |
Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 4:21pm
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Never heard of this before, but I rather enjoy the video that andyman posted.
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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 4:22pm
| Brian,listen to this band that I wrote. |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 4:28pm
You should definitely add them to MMA: http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/groupe-groupe-Katatura-l-en.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.spirit-of-metal.com/groupe-groupe-Katatura-l-en.html ------------- http://www.lyngby-boldklub.dk/" rel="nofollow - Forever TRUE - Forever BLUE! https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Prog Geo wrote:Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 4:31pm
| Nice.I didn't knew that spirit of metal has Katatura.I will add them tomorrow. |
Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 4:32pm
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At spirit of metal they're classified as prog metal, is that true? From what I've heard(on YouTube over the past couple of minutes) they don't sound very progy. -------------
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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 4:35pm
| Right.They're not prog.For me it's a djent metal band with death metal vocals. |
Posted By: Andyman1125
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 4:42pm
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 4:43pm
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Either that or death, though this is a discussion for another thread
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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 4:54pm
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Why?
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 4:58pm
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The Death metal team thread, maybe?
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Posted By: bartosso
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 5:44pm
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There is great band from France called Uneven Structure. There it is: Honestly, I prefer this more "inhuman" side of djent, these "gentle" bands like TesseracT or Perifery generally leave me cold. This above is an exception. |
Posted By: NecronCommander
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 8:07pm
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Going to correct you all before this gets too deep: djent is not a genre. The word "djent" itself is onomatopoeia that's used to describe the characteristic tight, punchy sound of a low-tuned guitar with strong pick attack, a tone more or less pioneered by Meshuggah and popularized today by the likes of prog metal acts such as Periphery, Animals as Leaders, TesseracT, Cloudkicker, et al. It's much more of a tight, rounded "bwwaaaaaoowwhhhh" than your typical chugging noise, and the tone is usually helped with heavy use of digital modification and the assistance of seven or eight-string guitars. It's become inappropriately associated with a genre in and of itself because a number of the forerunning "djent bands" have a style that incorporates similar elements, most noticeably heavy use of polyrhythmic metering and syncopation in the riffing and oftentimes metalcore or deathcore tendencies. It's spawned a burgeoning underground scene of closet guitar geeks and has been propagated by swapping riffs and numerating project after project through the internet. It's an undeniably cool concept but one that I feel at this point has been done to death by misrepresentation (something I'm guilty of myself) and the insurmountable number of cookie-cutter bands and solo projects that pop up like weeds. It's a tone, folks, nothing more. The forerunning bands that implement this tone are among my absolute favorites (sh*t, I'm an 8 string guitarist myself), but once you get past those select few amazing bands there's almost nothing to find worth listening to. -------------  
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 8:26pm
/thread  Some of these bands (mostly the ones Kevin mentioned) have helped get me into more than just avant metal. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/I_am_A_Person" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 8:41pm
LOL, overkill by Kev. -------------   
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 8:42pm
I'm no expert on what is or isn't "djent", but I have never been a big fan of the name. Some bands (Meshuggah, Animals as Leaders) I'm definitely a fan of. Just curious if anyone knows where this term came into existence, not just what its based off of. ------------- https://armchairmaestro.com/" rel="nofollow - My Music Blog |
Posted By: NecronCommander
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 8:45pm
I think Bulb (Misha Mansoor of Periphery) popularized the term. -------------
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Posted By: bartosso
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 8:48pm
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^I heard it was Fredrik from Meshuggah
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Posted By: NecronCommander
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 8:49pm
IIRC the term originated on the Meshuggah message boards, as did Periphery itself. -------------
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 8:53pm
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Apparently, Fredrik Thordendal coined the term, but it was later made
popular by Bulb, at least according to
http://got-djent.com/about" rel="nofollow - got-djent 's about section.
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Posted By: NecronCommander
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 9:03pm
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 9:22pm
And just for fun, a Michael Jackson cover:  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/I_am_A_Person" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 9:33pm
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It may be onomatopoeia, but it's term as a genre is growing. It's certainly a lot easier to refer to all the "djent" bands rather than the "polymetric post-thrashy groove/metalcore" bands. It's a way to get all of them under one umbrella. And for the record, "ska" is onomatopoeia as well.  ------------- Lost respect for these archives when I saw Creed added, among other bands. Not going to be foruming here anymore. You can keep my reviews if you want. |
Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 11:25pm
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Here's a definition from Urban Dictionary. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=djent" rel="nofollow - http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=djent
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 11:31pm
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SHLUH SHLUH SHLUH SHLUH SHLUH |
Posted By: NecronCommander
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 11:38pm
This is true, but I still think I prefer the term as the onomatopoeia. Kinda bugs me that this style has become big enough to warrant its own genre. I like it much more as a flavoring or a niche thing in music than as an entire underground genre. -------------
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 1:42am
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^ It's true that it's rather niche-y, but apparently there's room for a ton of fans of a punk-based genre where all the guitar riffing is on the up-beat (ska), which still is rather niche-y to me. There's also, among other things, polka metal, zeuhl, and d-beat, which you have to admit sound pretty niche-y but somehow have their own fanbase.
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 1:50pm
Isn't that post-metal?  |
Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 2:00pm
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Why is that post metal?
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 2:03pm
Actually, come to think of it, that does sort of look like a Neurosis song  It depends how quickly you read it |
Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 2:09pm
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------------- Inexistence is the true normality. |
Posted By: The Angry Scotsman
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 8:40pm
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Ha, KNEW Kevin would beast this topic. Djent was more or less crafted by Meshuggah. It's those riffs that I originally described as "falling off" though djent is much better. (Kinda the sound it makes). Now there are dozens, probably much more we don't know, of bands that are either Meshuggah ripoffs or some technical metal/core type thing using a lot of djenty riffs. Just a style, not a genre Seriously, no "djent" band sounds unique in terms of genre. They are all easily classifiable as some type of metal (prog, avant, core, technical) whatever. Please, no need for a sub genre that really does not exist. Simply a style of riffing these bands use alot. ------------- Megadeth, Metallica, Slayer and Testament. The real Big Four of thrash metal! Listen to doom metal, worship Satan |
Posted By: paroxix
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 10:48pm
| btw i didn't see it mentioend above djent refers to the sound the guitar makes when playing the shords and notes to make up these rifs it makes a "djent" noise as opposed to a "chug" noise you get it other forms of metal |
Posted By: SKwid
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 10:52pm
IMO that doesnt qualify it for a sub-genre -------------  
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Posted By: paroxix
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 10:53pm
| i was explaining where the name comes from btw pardon my terrible spelling |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2011 at 11:04pm
| it's been said 3 or 4 times in this thread, already |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2011 at 12:09am
To play devil's advocate, Meshuggah hardly fits into a category at all. Of course they're progressive, but they're not prog metal. I guess you could say they're thrash/groove but if you're going to be honest no band even sounds remotely like them, even among their songs with more straightforward riffs. My big question is how come Meshuggah is the only "extreme" variety of djenting. I mean Textures, Cloudkicker, Vildjharta etc are all pretty melodic metal bands. Can no other band sound brutal when utilizing the djent style? Or are they just afraid of sounding exactly like a Meshuggah clone. ------------- Lost respect for these archives when I saw Creed added, among other bands. Not going to be foruming here anymore. You can keep my reviews if you want. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2011 at 12:33am
| Meshuggah is it's own kind of metal. It's called Meshuggah |
Posted By: The Angry Scotsman
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2011 at 1:19am
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Djent is not a genre. That simple. And yes, Meshuggah does defy description...but we can't make a genre for one band ------------- Megadeth, Metallica, Slayer and Testament. The real Big Four of thrash metal! Listen to doom metal, worship Satan |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2011 at 2:13am
 ^Christian Vander would like a word with you. ------------- Lost respect for these archives when I saw Creed added, among other bands. Not going to be foruming here anymore. You can keep my reviews if you want. |
Posted By: SKwid
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2011 at 12:28pm
Engineer would like a word with you -------------
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Posted By: The Angry Scotsman
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2011 at 12:56pm
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As I just posted in the CZ Maybe some hear us say "djent band" and think "oh that must be something" then look into it. So our fault for using djent so much, but really I know I said djent more for fun, and we all know how sticky genres can be, sometimes djent is just easier as categorization. But some of us bigger djenters such as myself, kevin, colin, some on PA all have said it is not a genre, so that should really say something! ------------- Megadeth, Metallica, Slayer and Testament. The real Big Four of thrash metal! Listen to doom metal, worship Satan |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2011 at 3:21pm
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Genre or not, it is distinct enough to categorize bands, rather than calling them "bands that use Meshuggah-esque riffs". Maybe it's not a genre yet, but I feel if Ska, an entire style based on playing guitar chords on the up-beat, can grow into its own distinct genre then there's no reason that djent can't. As for now it is poorly defined, and as others have said in the CZ thread there are few bands that don't simply use djent elements mainly with another large style.
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Posted By: Andyman1125
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2011 at 3:55pm
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: 05 May 2011 at 11:13am
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Ah another Djent thread, why not!
Iheard a band recently and cant remember the name but loved the sound....
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Posted By: Andyman1125
Date Posted: 05 May 2011 at 11:21am
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Scott, StS is NOT djent!!
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Posted By: Wilytank
Date Posted: 05 May 2011 at 11:58am
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"Rational Gaze" by Meshuggah sounds dubstep gone metal.
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Posted By: MAVIIIVAM
Date Posted: 18 Jan 2012 at 2:40am
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Haha . . . Just posted here: http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2882&PID=61454" rel="nofollow - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2882&PID=61454 If you go there, it will then go here, then it will turn into a Djent Portal Paradox to never escape!  . . . One of these Days I'm going to do a "Math Metal" posting, so everyone can add their faves  .------------- "If you're happy to be an Ant in the Sand Box, you're welcome to it!" -Forbidden For Progressive Metal and Prog Rock, come visit, request songs and explore at PrOgulus.com |