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Topic: Why is PoS so unpopular? (Read first post)
Posted By: topofsm
Subject: Why is PoS so unpopular? (Read first post)
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2011 at 10:12pm
Ok, so prog metal isn't exactly the most well-known of genres, but that's not what I'm talking about. Aside from online I have yet to hear much about this band. I've only ever introduced people to Pain of Salvation in real life, I've never met someone who has known about them. I've only ever seen a Pain of Salvation record in a music store once, and it was just one copy of Scarsick.

Yet if you looked at all the discussions here and at PA, you'd think they were pretty much only slightly behind Dream Theater and Opeth in terms of popularity.

That being said, this might be an America thing. PoS is notorious for not touring in America, and their album shipments may have been significantly smaller as well in America. Maybe in Europe they're just as important as Dream Theater, but it doesn't seem that anybody knows about them here, especially compared to other supposedly less popular bands.


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Posted By: The Angry Scotsman
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2011 at 11:02pm
Yeah the only albums I've seen in my record store are Scarsick and Road Salt One.

I really have no clue. I've known some people who knew em (outside PA) though yeah, I introduced many more to em.
I don't think they are quite as unpopular as you think but yeah, certainly not near the top. Funny since on PA they are like Jesus. Maybe it is an American thing. They were boycotting touring the US and I'm not surprised that they ship much less to here. Those would make the band much less known here in the states.

I love the band but Daniel IS a huge a**hole LOL
Boycotting the US because Bush was President? Even though at most 51% voted for him? Not to mention all the teens of the time (like myself) who couldn't even vote? Then Obama is President and its cool now.

It really is pretty stupid (to be polite!)



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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2011 at 11:25pm
Originally posted by topofsm topofsm wrote:

Maybe in Europe they're just as important as Dream Theater, but it doesn't seem that anybody knows about them here, especially compared to other supposedly less popular bands.

Dream Theater have played their last headlining gigs in Finland in a venue holding about 8000 people, Pain of Salvation played their first ever gig here a couple of years ago in a club of 900. But if "respect" could somehow be measured, I'd say they're much closer to each other.


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Posted By: The Angry Scotsman
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2011 at 11:28pm
Hm, guess PoS just isn't as known.
Although I see what Pekka is saying about respect. Those that DO know em tend to say they are one of the tops.
Best bands are always less popular eh?


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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2011 at 11:36pm
Originally posted by The Angry Scotsman The Angry Scotsman wrote:

Hm, guess PoS just isn't as known.
Although I see what Pekka is saying about respect. Those that DO know em tend to say they are one of the tops.
Best bands are always less popular eh?

I have a feeling that all 900 that went to see PoS were true hardcore fans, whereas at a DT gig there's the 2000 hardcore fans and the rest think they're quite ok.

Just for the record, I didn't go to the PoS gig Tongue A friend of mine did and praised the hell out of it, even though it was Scarsick tour. Maybe I should try listening to one of their albums this year again, perhaps I'd find something good this time.


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Posted By: The Angry Scotsman
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2011 at 11:40pm
Well that pretty much seems to answer that one!

And I bought "Remedy Lane" way back and hated it!
Tried a bit later, and I liked it much more. Then tried Entropia and loved the hell out of that one.
Now I'm a pretty good PoS fan (yes, we all know what an unfortunate abbreviation they areLOL)


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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2011 at 12:09am
^Especially since there's a rap artist by the same name. LOL

And he, unlike Gildenlow, can rap well. Tongue


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Posted By: The Angry Scotsman
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2011 at 12:46am
Originally posted by topofsm topofsm wrote:

^Especially since there's a rap artist by the same name. LOL

And he, unlike Gildenlow, can rap well. Tongue


ZING!



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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2011 at 1:01am
I think their initials are too blame


Posted By: Colt
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2011 at 6:56am
Maybe they realised this and reached out to the wider masses with RS1.
 
They even hoped to represent Sweden at the Eurovision song contest.
 
Now in England being part of Eurovision is about as low as you can go musically Dead
 
Personally, I preferred them pre RS1/Eurovision. If RS2 is the same I may just cut my wrists Cry
 
I yearn for another early noughtie album
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2011 at 7:01am
I don't believe that Pain of salvation are so unpopular.Here in Greece are favorable.But ok,it's prog metal.Don't expect to be very famous.

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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2011 at 8:40am
I bought Remedy Lane and 12:5 from a local record store a few years back, and just bought Road Salt One a couple of weeks ago from FYE, if you can believe that.  I think that I ordered the rest from Amazon though.  Aside from Scarsick, which I thought was mostly atrocious, I like the majority of their output, and there are even a couple of decent songs on Scarsick.  I thought that Road Salt One was alright, although it seems to be lacking in metal.

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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2011 at 11:46am
Originally posted by Prog Geo Prog Geo wrote:

I don't believe that Pain of salvation are so unpopular.Here in Greece are favorable.But ok,it's prog metal.Don't expect to be very famous.


Have you talked to people in person and discussed Pain of Salvation? My main quip is that I've never met anyone in life who knew about them before I introduced the band.


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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2011 at 11:48am
Ι haven't met many fans.But in their live performance here,many people had come .

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Posted By: Pelata
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2011 at 12:04pm
I used to own Entropia and The Perfect Element, Part 1 and they both grew cold after a while. Gildenlow is taltented, no question...I just got tired of the albums.

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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2011 at 2:17pm
They're unquestionably my favorite band ever... The reason why they get so little recognition in the "real world" is because, aside from the die-hard prog community that you see in forums, they don't have as many casual fans as DT (or even Opeth). I know plenty of kids at my school who are familiar with a few Dream Theater songs from Rock Band or something like that - not the case with PoS.

I don't really like the whole Eurovision thing at all.. I sure as hell hope they aren't selling out.


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Posted By: Balthamel
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2011 at 2:55pm
Originally posted by Colt Colt wrote:

Maybe they realised this and reached out to the wider masses with RS1.
 
They even hoped to represent Sweden at the Eurovision song contest.
 
Now in England being part of Eurovision is about as low as you can go musically Dead
 
Personally, I preferred them pre RS1/Eurovision. If RS2 is the same I may just cut my wrists Cry
 
I yearn for another early noughtie album
 
 
the norwegian symphonic metal band Susperia was in the Eurovision song conteset this year, and a BLACK METAL BAND Shocked  KEEP OF KALESSIN was in the norwegian eurovision final and became fourth in the voting last year.  


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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2011 at 3:55pm
They better tour in America soon, they said they would a little while ago for a RS1 tour but they never did!Angry

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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2011 at 3:59pm
Originally posted by The Block The Block wrote:

They better tour in America soon, they said they would a little while ago for a RS1 tour but they never did!Angry


Patience, Brian. Approve They only have one festival announced from now until late June... I have a feeling we'll be hearing about a U.S. tour shortly.

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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2011 at 9:25pm
In pretty much any mainstream music chain I've been to lately, the only POS album they will have in stock is their latest album.  One time I saw a DVD of theirs in the store as well, and it was really expensive.

 I always hear their name mentioned in internet discussion, but I don't really know anybody who listens to prog metal, so I don't really know any POS fans besides you lot and obviously people at Prog Archives.

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Posted By: The Air Loom
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 9:36am
Originally posted by Prog Geo Prog Geo wrote:

I don't believe that Pain of salvation are so unpopular.Here in Greece are favorable.But ok,it's prog metal.Don't expect to be very famous.


I don't know so many people in Greece who have even heard of PoS, as is the case with most non-mainstream prog bands, though the last time I went shopping in Athens I picked up a copy of "BE" which I consider to be their best album.  It's hardly surprising that they aren't popular in the USA.  The album "Scarsick" in particular has very anti-USA lyrics which many Americans find offensive.  One should be free to express one's opinion, but of course this is going to affect sales in this country.
The other thing is that they seem to have moved away from metal to a more softer approach in their more recent album, taking on influences ironically from the USA music scene in the form of, among other things,  Gospel.  This is kind of a weird mixture which probably doesn't appeal to old-school types.


Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 9:43am
First,I suggested you a band in Folk-metal suggestions.Secondly,as I had said Pos are favorable here.Indeed,they are softer now.Because Gildenlow has influenced by musicals and pop music(like Spice girls(he said it in their last concert here)).

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Posted By: The Air Loom
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 10:15am
^ Err, I'm not sure about Spice girls - that might be a slight exaggeration, but there does seem to be some Gospel and R&B creeping in


Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 10:21am
Yeah!Sure.But he's influenced by Gospel too I think(I'm not sure about R & B).But as I said Daniel Gildenlow's voice is very influenced by Musicals.

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Posted By: The Air Loom
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 10:50am
^ Hmm, actually I think that R&B is influenced by gospel...  anyway, he's definitely taking inspiration from the current USA music scene.  Yes, the live performance of "BE" is something between a theatrical performance and a music concert.


Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 10:53am
Βe is just incredible.And yes I think you're right about R & B and Gospel. 

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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 11:25am
I highly doubt anti-American lyrics would prevent record sales here. Cause, you know...



Anyway, I bet the embargo on touring America had something to do it. But do they embargo their albums to?


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Posted By: The Air Loom
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 12:33pm
^ Ok, point taken!!!!
Since you did find a copy of Scarsick in the store, I suppose that their albums must be circulating...  I guess that definitely the embargo wouldn't go down well with the American public either, that would give them very negative publicity.  I saw that Scarsick has some particularly negative views on ProgArchives, particularly by American reviewers, so I thought that this might  have an effect on the band's popularity.


Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 12:40pm
Of course.It's logical.In Spitfall,Gildenlow makes fun of popular american rappers like Eminem and 50 cent.That's why he raps in it. 

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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 2:19pm
Originally posted by The Air Loom The Air Loom wrote:

^ Ok, point taken!!!!
Since you did find a copy of Scarsick in the store, I suppose that their albums must be circulating...  I guess that definitely the embargo wouldn't go down well with the American public either, that would give them very negative publicity.  I saw that Scarsick has some particularly negative views on ProgArchives, particularly by American reviewers, so I thought that this might  have an effect on the band's popularity.


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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 3:38pm
I guess he hasn't embargoed CDs coming to America, but I certainly think he has a smaller market here. The thing is there are plenty of bands who IMO seem more unknown than PoS, and I see plenty of those kinds of albums in my local record stores.

Maybe Gildenlow hasn't realized his potential appeal. Maybe if he sold a few more records in America he'd have a huge market, like DT and Opeth have.


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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2011 at 3:47pm
Originally posted by topofsm topofsm wrote:

I guess he hasn't embargoed CDs coming to America, but I certainly think he has a smaller market here. The thing is there are plenty of bands who IMO seem more unknown than PoS, and I see plenty of those kinds of albums in my local record stores.

Maybe Gildenlow hasn't realized his potential appeal. Maybe if he sold a few more records in America he'd have a huge market, like DT and Opeth have.


As much as I want my favorite band to do well, I can't say I wholeheartedly agree with the second part. I hope they remain "somewhat" underground... I don't like the idea of them having a fanbase the size of DT's. As much as I love newer DT records, they have lost a bit of their creative spark over the years, probably due to their major-label signing and things like that. I don't want the same to happen to Pain of Salvation.


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Posted By: MAVIIIVAM
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2011 at 12:26am
Originally posted by The Block The Block wrote:

They better tour in America soon, they said they would a little while ago for a RS1 tour but they never did!Angry


What I understood-why that happened was their Visa's were not up to snuff (I believe their was a hightened
security alert here at that time), go figure . . . See! Daniel Jinxed it! LOL (Wasnt it for Prog Nation II?).

Well pOs and the fans that be . . .
When I worked for Tower Records in Santa Monica, I had made a Display for DT's "Six Degree's..." and I put
under it as many Prog and Prog Metal CD's as I could find, and we had ALL the pOs albums up to that time.

Years later, was amazed to find like-minded Fans at the Internet Station "Progged Radio" (now long gone)
and then its successor PrOgulus.com . . . we all were HUGE fans (well their were some that were annoyed
by Daniel's singing, just a few Wink). And we all had a thing to say about why pOs did not come to America
to tour (Hmmm, Daniel singing about topical subjects and hope for mankind, yet he "Boycots" us individual
FEW Americans who know who they actually are . . . shoots his own foot).

"One Hour by the Concrete Lake" was my 1st, and loved every album. "Scarsick" had to grow on me as the
stronger songs are really good.  "Road Salt I" the EP was like Queensryche going Grunge when grunge was
WAAAAY over Tongue.  But on the way to the last Iron Maiden show, my friend played for 4 of us "Road Salt II"
and we were all blown away-because he basically re-invented the band, but I do understand its not for
everyone.

I guess I am lucky that Los Angeles still has a few great Record Stores left and are well stocked with pOs
albums.  And I notice Tour Shirts at Metal and Prog shows here Big smile.



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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2011 at 5:19pm
Originally posted by MAVIIIVAM MAVIIIVAM wrote:


But on the way to the last Iron Maiden show, my friend played for 4 of us "Road Salt II"
and we were all blown away-because he basically re-invented the band, but I do understand its not for
everyone.


Road Salt II came out? Confused


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Posted By: MAVIIIVAM
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2011 at 12:33am
Originally posted by The Block The Block wrote:

Originally posted by MAVIIIVAM MAVIIIVAM wrote:


But on the way to the last Iron Maiden show, my friend played for 4 of us "Road Salt II" <<<<GOOFED
and we were all blown away-because he basically re-invented the band, but I do understand its not for
everyone.


Road Salt II came out? Confused


OOPS!

Meant "Road Salt ( I )" . . .
"Linoleum" EP is the one before it . . .  I goofed Embarrassed.


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Posted By: Vobiscum
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2012 at 8:10pm
I went to a concert of them last year here in Brazil. The band is phenomenal, friendly, charismatic and well technicians. This year again and I intend to go for sure. The show was packed. Here the band is highly regarded.



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