Albums that make you think: What happened!?
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Topic: Albums that make you think: What happened!?
Posted By: The Angry Scotsman
Subject: Albums that make you think: What happened!?
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2011 at 7:34am
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Just saw a comment about the band Slipknot and the obvious joke they are to many metal fans (especially prog minded ones) myself included. However, their debut album (which has since been called a demo and shunned by the band) is really...well surprising from what is largely the current members of Slipknot. So it got me thinking, what albums make you think....what happened!? Either an awesome one and the band went to crap, or maybe the other way around! Maybe just a huge departure in change. Either way, what have you got? I'll start with "Mate. Feed. Kill. Repeat." by Slipknot. Seriously, wtf happened? Guess they decided money was good  Some examples. PLEASE, dont see Slipknot and just ignore it.  ------------- Megadeth, Metallica, Slayer and Testament. The real Big Four of thrash metal! Listen to doom metal, worship Satan |
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Posted By: The Angry Scotsman
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2011 at 7:43am
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Another is "Lunar Strain" by In Flames. What on Earth happened to this band? (Although I do like the Jester Race) I've played this album for friends who like In Flames and besides never hearing of it ever, they ask if it's really the same band and "what is this shit, what happened?" I happen to feel the same way, just about their later material ------------- Megadeth, Metallica, Slayer and Testament. The real Big Four of thrash metal! Listen to doom metal, worship Satan |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2011 at 10:54am
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Well some examples would be St. Anger by Metalllica, Illud Divinium Insanus by Morbid Angel, The Burning Red by Machine Head and to some folks Risk by Megadeth. ------------- http://www.lyngby-boldklub.dk/" rel="nofollow - Forever TRUE - Forever BLUE! https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2011 at 11:04am
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Actually, to me "St. Anger" was a positive development in Metallica's corpus of work. Two albums that make me think "hat the hell happened" are Dominion's "Interface" (1996) and "Blackout" (1997) - the former is pretty good thrash metal with some sludge and groove tendencies, but the latter is some of the most boring and generic alt metal I've ever heard :-S
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2011 at 11:05am
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^Don�t know either. ------------- http://www.lyngby-boldklub.dk/" rel="nofollow - Forever TRUE - Forever BLUE! https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: Diogenes
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2011 at 12:27pm
| The first two Sadus albums compared to that rubbish "reunion" they tried. Ugh. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2011 at 12:36pm
| I guess the "what happened???" moment for Metallica was when The Black Album came out. |
Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2011 at 1:15pm
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Sepultura's Roots is the first thing that springs to mind for me. Also Elvenking's The Scythe. ------------- Earn Money Online (NOT a scam): https://premium.gg2u.org?referrer=adg211288" rel="nofollow - GG2U https://adamsfilmcorner.quora.com/" rel="nofollow - Adam's Film Corner on Quora |
Posted By: Wilytank
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2011 at 1:38pm
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Decapitated's Carnival is Forever. ------------- 
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Posted By: PabstRibbon
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2011 at 2:48pm
| Pain of Salvation - Road Salt... OMG |
Posted By: Kingcrimsonprog
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2011 at 6:38pm
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Slipknot are a joke ? I thought the world had came to respect them ever since Vol. 3
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2011 at 8:44pm
If I was old enough at the time, that probably would have been my WTF moment with Metallica. Other WTF albums that are usually mentioned are Celtic Frost's "Cold Lake", Voivod's "Angel Rat" (though I really like it), and Cryptopsy's "The Unspoken King". ------------- https://armchairmaestro.com/" rel="nofollow - My Music Blog |
harmonium.ro wrote:Posted By: Doomster
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 12:06am
Opeth's new album was pretty disappointing, but that might be just because I'm biased for the metal 
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 4:52am
I have "Cold Lake", and I don't think it's that bad. -------------
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 7:10am
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Hmm...I never thought of Angel Rat like a "WTF happened album". I think Nothingface had prepared most people for that change in sound. ------------- http://www.lyngby-boldklub.dk/" rel="nofollow - Forever TRUE - Forever BLUE! https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 7:53am
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Actually "ST. Anger" made me think WTF happened in a positive way, because, after "Load" and "Reload", I'd given up on Metallica ever playing fast and aggressive music again.
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Posted By: Kingcrimsonprog
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2011 at 8:16am
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Kiss - Unmasked. It is a very questionable album as far as I can hear. At least with 'Elder you understand that they tried to ride the prog wave for money, but with Unmasked you have to wonder why all the songs were so uninteresting and lacking. ------------- My Blog: http://kingcrimsonprog.wordpress.com/ |
Posted By: LittleBig
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2011 at 8:06am
how can anyone ride the prog wave for money? I actually like The Elder, for me it's one of Kiss' best albums, it was one of the few times they tried something different, i respect that. I agree on Unmasked, it's one of their worst albums indeed. My worst "what happened " album is got to be the last Queensryche album. What a mess of an album! One of my biggest disappointments from a band I love.
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2011 at 8:12am
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I dislike "Hear in the Now Frontier" more.
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Posted By: Kingcrimsonprog
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2011 at 8:23am
I don't know, it was popular at the time, they thought that doing something popular that wasn't their current sound might make them more money than just staying the same. Obviously it didn't work. But you have to imagine that if there were no prog bands, Kiss wouldn't have come up with Music From The Elder on their own in a vacuum. ------------- My Blog: http://kingcrimsonprog.wordpress.com/ |
Posted By: LittleBig
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2011 at 8:28am
From what I read, the album confused people back than, especially the american audience. The album started to grow on people much later. They did not do it for money, it was Bob Ezrin's idea(from what I read).
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2011 at 9:59am
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I read somewhere about The Elder that they wanted it to be like their version of Tommy, so I guess they were expecting it to be successful.
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Posted By: Woutjinho
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2011 at 6:20am
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I ask myself the question to a lot of old bands. Metallica - Black Album... What Happened?
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Posted By: Kingcrimsonprog
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2011 at 7:49am
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One I was thinking of is Dillenger Escape Plan. Their Pucciatto era stuff is amazing, and I look back at the stuff before he joined and think... what was all THAT about ? ------------- My Blog: http://kingcrimsonprog.wordpress.com/ |
Posted By: Vic
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2011 at 10:41am
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Now this is a much easier one! Special WTFs I will never forget: No Prayer for the Dying? - BORING, it all went downhill from there. Fear of the Dark had the last three great songs by Maiden. (Sorry Maiden fans!) Helloween - Pink Bubbles Go Ape. Mediocrity, boring mediocrity. But nothing prepared me for the great WTF IS THIs SHIT that was Chameleon Megadeth - Cryptic Writings. WTF is this pop rock sound?? A couple of great songs but otherwise very tame, still quality work. Risk, however you cut it though, is UTTER SHIT. They never really got back to the quality of Youthanasia. Endgame was a good album though. Cold Lake. I think it's a very bad album personally. :) Black Album. Well, it kinda made me mad that everyone around suddenly discovered them (I was at school at the time, not my most mature time!) when previously they would talk about my Metallica shirts as if they belonged to savages. Great album but musically I knew the thrash was gone for good. Load managed to be an even bigger WTF though. And this time, I ran out of excuses. It's a good album but there is absolutely no excuse for the aesthetics and the enforced metal bashing that they did at the time. Those were the grand WTF for me. Flotsam and Jetsam - When the Storm Comes Down. I love the previous two. LOVE them to the point you wont believe. So this album with the terribly shitty cover and the lack of awesome Flotsam logo was a big WTF because there were no great songs. Apart from two and one of those is really memorable for its amazing solo section (October Thorns, the other great song is of course Suffer the Masses). Cuatro was even worse, so that's when I gave up. on them. ...will get back on this. Tons more. ------------- 42 |
Posted By: Wilytank
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2011 at 2:23pm
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Oh! How about the 2011 version of Gorgoroth's Under the Sign of Hell? -------------
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Posted By: Warthur
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2011 at 10:11am
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2011 at 12:57pm
Interestingly, I did not quite have that feeling with "No Prayer for the Dying", but I was kind of disappointed with "Fear of the Dark", which I considers the least interesting Dickinson-fronted Maiden-album. "Brave New World", on the other hand, was a positive WTF happened experience. After "Virtual XI", I'd given up on Maiden ever releasing an album that I'd like again (which is painful when it's your favorite band of all time) - so "Brave New World", which I think is brilliant, took me completely by surprise.
I think it's a good album, but I was also disappointed with it when it came out. I liked a lot of the songs (still do), but the absence of thrash metal was at the same time a huge disappointment. And "Load" and "ReLoad", now those I do not like at all. I actually won "Load" in a competition once.... the only time I was dissatisfied with actually winning something. -------------
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Posted By: adg211288
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2011 at 1:00pm
I'm with you 100% on this one. ------------- Earn Money Online (NOT a scam): https://premium.gg2u.org?referrer=adg211288" rel="nofollow - GG2U https://adamsfilmcorner.quora.com/" rel="nofollow - Adam's Film Corner on Quora |
Posted By: Kingcrimsonprog
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 5:03am
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I think the albums from Brave New World onwards are better than the Blaze Era, The D'ianno Era, and a few of the classic Bruce Era stuff. The only problem is that they are so long and dense each takes about two years to absorb. ------------- My Blog: http://kingcrimsonprog.wordpress.com/ |
Posted By: Vic
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 7:48am
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I can get digging the BNW onwards albums. For me Brave New World and Dance of Death are the best and I would characterize them as decent with great moments. I can even get someone ranking them higher than the DiAnno albums (I wouldn't) because those are a slightly different animal, so the Bruce factor could give them the edge. There is no way in hell I would ever concede that they are better than the classic Bruce stuff (Number to Seventh). That's just crazy talk man!  ------------- 42 |
Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 9:49am
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I like Maiden, but less so now than I did back in high school. For some reason, I've never been interested in acquiring new Maiden albums. The last one I bought was Dance of Death, and it really didn't do anything from me. I have heard songs since then, but it's been the same way. ------------- https://armchairmaestro.com/" rel="nofollow - My Music Blog |
Posted By: LittleBig
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 10:00am
| I find the later day Maiden albums (except Brave New World) quite boring these days. Their long songs are tiring, if they try to be progressive or something, they're failing miserably at it IMO. |
Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2011 at 10:05am
I enjoyed many of the tracks on Brave New World, though I only had exposure of them through the Rock In Rio concert (plus the Out of the Silent Plant vid on the Vision of the Beast DVD). I'm sure one day I'll make Brave New World one of those impulse purchases when I see it at the right time for the right price.  ------------- https://armchairmaestro.com/" rel="nofollow - My Music Blog |
Posted By: MAVIIIVAM
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2012 at 4:31am
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Metallica's St. Anger reminded me of this when I 1st heard the songs . . . Maybe not vocally but the music, but - Metallica!. . . Entombed did it already! Metallica's "None more black" album is the one that did it for me, even though I like maybe 3 songs (I am done with "Enter . . ." you know what), I could see it was an end of an era and the newer Thrash Bands would take over the throne. But Metallica will always be the ones who are the main root to the Tree. Great album "Sonically", I just wish it was more like this one and "Of Wolf and Man". ...And Justice, Ulrich was really progressing as a Drummer, with other songs on Black, he seemed to be regressing  . I guess many will say Entombed lost their way after their 2nd album as well. But I will alwaysremember that Entombed introduced me to "down-tuning" and that HEAVY Guitar tone on "Left Hand Path" (and Obituary's Double Bass), Death Metal would evolve from here . . . Bands like this basically stuck to the fast aggression, but Entombed made it "progress". As a Queensryche fan (from the 1st EP release) who has been disappointed for decades now, I have to say I liked "Hear in the Now Frontier"  (and remember, DeGarmo is on it, and on "Tribe"). To me"Promised Land" was the last great QR album, but "Hear..." was just another change, yet they chose to keep that "Grunge" sound, even when Grunge was over a few years before. Which is strange seeing they put Seattle on the map after Heart (and before The Accused). A touch of the "Beatles" on this one. I like DeGarmo's "Slide" and Guitar Tone on the album. DeGarmo also does this nice little ballad . . . I like Maiden's "No Prayer for the Dying" . . . I need to start listening to this album again, its more "Progressive" than I remembered. . . . and Flots "When the Storm Comes Down" . . . Funny, the "Snare" sounds like Ulrich's on St. Anger
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Posted By: LittleBig
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2012 at 11:47am
Queensryche really messed it up big time with their last album Dedicated to Chaos, one of the worst and uninspired albums, from a band I personally love.
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2012 at 9:45pm
True, even though I only like them up until their 1994 opus. Some cases, IMO: Pain of Salvation since Scarsick (even though I enjoy Scarsick, the album is a huge quality drop);
Sepultura's Roots (and everything else they've done since); Nevermore's latest;
Andromeda's Immunity Zone, even though the epic is very good; Evergrey every albums since Monday Morning Apocalypse; Pestilence's newest albums;
Mastodon's latest;
Almost every Iron Maiden album after 7th Son; Voivoid after Nothingface;
Liquid Tension Experiment's posthumous album, even though it was mostly b-sides. -------------   
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Posted By: Slopshire Slasher
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2012 at 11:32am
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2012 at 2:05pm
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^I can only agree on that: http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/soul-searching-sun--review.aspx?id=245398" rel="nofollow - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/soul-searching-sun--review.aspx?id=245398 ------------- http://www.lyngby-boldklub.dk/" rel="nofollow - Forever TRUE - Forever BLUE! https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: Vobiscum
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2012 at 10:26pm
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Nightwish - Century Child Epica - Consign to Oblivion Cannibal Corpse - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evisceration_Plague" rel="nofollow - Evisceration Plague Within Temptation - The Silent Force Lacuna Coil - Dark Adrenaline |
Posted By: vmoore
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 10:11am
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Posted By: vmoore
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 10:15am
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Posted By: MAVIIIVAM
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 2:49pm
Huh? Which album? St. Anger or Flots? I'll take "When the Storm comes Down" any day of the week  .Edit: Oh I see . . . No I meant that it seems that Flots album doesnt get recognition and many have skipped it. I actually think they put out solid albums all through their career  .Sorry, its been a LONG time to visit this Post, the posts about Flots was in response to "Vic" if you look on the previous page. For all of us who have been disappointed with Queensryche, well we NOW know why dont we? -this past year (2012)  .------------- "If you're happy to be an Ant in the Sand Box, you're welcome to it!" -Forbidden For Progressive Metal and Prog Rock, come visit, request songs and explore at PrOgulus.com |
Posted By: Jbird
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 4:23pm
I gave up on Queensryche after O:MC II..........dreadfully bad album. I can listen to HITNF, even if it's not 'metal', and Q2K & Tribe both have a song or two thats pretty decent, imo though the rest of the songs are meh. As far as Evergrey goes, I'm a long-time fan, and I think the album Torn is their best ever. It's got the best combination of heavy riffing from their earlier days and the more radio-friendly approach they are now going for. Just a killer album, imo.
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Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 4:56pm
St. Anger
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Posted By: vmoore
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 10:52pm
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Posted By: MAVIIIVAM
Date Posted: 20 Jan 2013 at 11:18pm
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no prob. ------------- "If you're happy to be an Ant in the Sand Box, you're welcome to it!" -Forbidden For Progressive Metal and Prog Rock, come visit, request songs and explore at PrOgulus.com |
Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 4:44pm
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Bump. I agree with some of the albums mentioned already, Slipknot and In Flames's debuts are both masterpieces in my book. To be honest though, I do like Slipknot's Volume 3 and a few of In Flames's albums after the debut. Korn is a perfect example for me, I think See You on the Other Side and Untitled are two of the band's best albums, but Korn III was such a let down. I think Anthony Fantano (Theneedledrop) said it best, "What even is Korn III?". It was one of those "Back to our roots" albums that wasn't going back to their roots at all. I'm surprised Judas Priest wasn't mentioned in this thread, as I would have never seen a borderline glam metal album like Turbo coming from the band after Defenders of the Faith. Turbo does have a few decent songs, but overall it feels bland to my ears. ------------- If I say fuck two more times that's forty-six fucks in this fucked up rhyme |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 11:07pm
Quite a few people said wtfh when Kreator released Renewal...it happens to be my favorite from the band  ------------- http://www.lyngby-boldklub.dk/" rel="nofollow - Forever TRUE - Forever BLUE! https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: Vim Fuego
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 11:39pm
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Done it lots of times with lots of bands. Metallica - The Black Album. And then Load, Re-Load, S&M, and St. Anger. Megadeth - Countdown To Extinction Death Angel - Act III Darkthrone - A Blaze in the Northern Sky Um, got distracted. I started writing this 45 minutes ago. What was the question again? |
Posted By: Unitron
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 11:40pm
I really like Renewal, although I don't get why people found it odd. It's still thrash metal, and I don't think it's that different to Coma of Souls. ------------- If I say fuck two more times that's forty-six fucks in this fucked up rhyme |
Posted By: 666sharon666
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 1:22am
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Running Wild, at least from The Brotherhood and maybe even Victory too, up until the latest one which is actually surprisingly decent. And for a recent one: 
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2016 at 11:33pm
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Posted By: tapfret
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2017 at 11:10am
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Must echo the sentiments I see regarding The Blah Album. I was 21 at the time and it was the only time I was at the record store the morning of a release. I was back at the record store that afternoon to get my money back. Other things I've called it: The Jock Album The Bleached Album Now it's just Meh-tallica Other wut happenz albums: Voivod - Angel Rat, then Negatron, then all The Newsted albums Fates Warning - Parallels Scatterbrain - Scamboogery Black Sabbath - Born Again |
Posted By: LittleBig
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2018 at 1:21am
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^ I agree on Born Again, BS's weakest release if you ask me. I love FW's Parallels. DT - The Astonishing - what a mess! Paradise Lost's last two albums - why did they get back to doom-death? Sorry, but Holmes as a growler does not do t for me, it did not do it in their early days neither. Now I can go hide... Def Leppard - constantly going downhill since Retroactive... Yngwie Malmsteen - can't stand anything he did after 1996. Slayer - Diabolus in Musica and GHAA... , their weakest efforts IMO. Helloween - Straight Out of Hell - these guys usually deliver, but this one bored me terribly. |