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Topic: Your recent non-metal purchasesPosted By: lucas
Subject: Your recent non-metal purchases
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2010 at 9:27am
^
because thetitle of the thread reads "metal" purchases.
Anyway here is a list of my recent purchases :
Replies: Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2010 at 2:33pm
http://www.progrockrecords.com - www.progrockrecords.com is having a Good Friday sale with most of their CDs on sale for $5 and double CDs at $10. I just backed the Brinks truck up and made some purchases.
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Posted By: Harry
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2010 at 3:30am
Posted By: kshskang
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2010 at 11:46pm
My most recent purchase is this:
My Education - Sunrise
I got it at a Red Sparowes concert last Friday. I've never heard of My Education before but their show was really good so I decided that I wanted to buy a CD from them. This is their latest release, and it's supposed to come out on April 27, but I got it much earlier :)
Posted By: DeathOfSeasons
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2010 at 12:34am
Agents of Man - Count Your Blessings
Backyard Babies - Live Live In Paris
Endwell - Consequences
I got them all for free which is good because they aren't all that good.
Posted By: NJCat_11
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2010 at 4:13pm
Just pre-ordered Coheed & Cambria Year of the Black Rainbow (Deluxe Edition)
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Posted By: Reed Lover
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2010 at 5:27pm
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2010 at 5:31pm
nice cache of albums there Reed
Posted By: DeathOfSeasons
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2010 at 5:44am
Angus & Julia Stone - Down the Way
She & Him - Volume Two
Folk Pop FTW!
Posted By: elder08
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2010 at 2:02pm
By the Way-RHCP
Zeppelin 2-Zeppelin
Wish you Were Here- Pink floyd
Help!- The Beatles
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2010 at 3:31pm
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2010 at 12:48pm
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2010 at 1:31pm
Yesterday I got:
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2010 at 5:27pm
Just finished my second-to-last exam, so I felt like celebrating.
Modern Jazz Quartet- Blues On Bach
John Scofield- This Means That
Dave Brubeck- Time Further Out
Black Flag- Damaged / Jealous Again
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2010 at 9:39am
My first Magma album:
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2010 at 10:13am
I bought a bunch a Porcupine Tree albums. I've also bought the latest Coheed album, and I'm looking to buy Touchstone's debut album whenever I can find it.
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2010 at 10:35am
Kind of fits well with my sig
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2010 at 4:30pm
Posted By: DeathOfSeasons
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2010 at 11:11am
Man is the b*****d - D.I.Y.C.D.
Romantic Gorilla - Romantic Gorilla
Gotta love Powerviolence.
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2010 at 2:40pm
We had our annual Prog Night yesterday with my girlfriend:
Renaissance - Turn of the Cards
Greenslade - s/t
Dalton - Riflessioni: Idea D'Infinito
Reale Accademia di Musica - Adriano Monteduro
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Posted By: Phonebook Eater
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2010 at 1:46pm
These are my last two non metal purchases:
but I haven't listened to this last one yet
Posted By: FusionKing
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2010 at 6:25pm
^
Mahavishnu Orchestra is just pure genius!
You should get Apocalypse and Visions Of The Emerald Beyond.
Anyway...my lastest non metal addition is Fleet Foxes- Fleet Foxes.
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2010 at 10:05pm
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Posted By: FusionKing
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2010 at 3:27pm
Freedom: Santana Journeyman: Eric Clapton Big Generator: Yes No Jacket Required: Phil Collins Born To Run: Bruce Springsteen Sleeps With Angels: Neil Young And Crazy Horse Two Against Nature: Steely Dan
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2010 at 3:43pm
^
lots of good music there !
My last non-metal purchase is this beautiful folk-rock album :
Posted By: Phonebook Eater
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2010 at 2:46pm
FusionKing wrote:
^
You should get Apocalypse and Visions Of The Emerald Beyond.
you must forgive me, but I've never even heard of that album!
I'll get it as soon as possible!!
Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 02 May 2010 at 3:49pm
Dead Kennedys - Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables (25th anniversary edition with DVD)
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 3:11am
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 04 May 2010 at 6:03pm
rushfan4 wrote:
She's one of those people that I geniunely can't stand... musically and because of her crappy personality!
No offense if you like her, of course!
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: 05 May 2010 at 4:10pm
^
Thought this could interest you : This is the song list of her album 'tuesday night club music'. You will notice Kevin Gilbert (keyboards, guitar and drums on "run baby run") co-wrote 7 out of the 10 songs.
"Run, Baby, Run" (David Baerwald, Bill Bottrell, Crow) � 4:53
"Leaving Las Vegas" (Baerwald, Bottrell, Crow, Kevin Gilbert, David
Ricketts) � 5:10
"Strong Enough" (Baerwald, Bottrell, Crow, Kevin Gilbert, Brian MacLeod,
Ricketts) � 3:10
"Can't Cry Anymore" (Bottrell, Crow) � 3:41
"Solidify" (Baerwald, Bottrell, Crow, Kevin Gilbert, Kevin Hunter,
MacLeod, Ricketts) � 4:08
"The Na-Na Song" (Baerwald, Bottrell, Crow, Kevin Gilbert, MacLeod,
Ricketts) � 3:12
"No One Said It Would Be Easy" (Bottrell, Crow, Kevin Gilbert, Dan
Schwartz) � 5:29
"What I Can Do for You" (Baerwald, Crow) � 4:15
"All I Wanna Do" (Baerwald, Bottrell, Wyn Cooper, Crow, Kevin Gilbert) �
4:32
"We Do What We Can" (Bottrell, Crow, Kevin Gilbert, Schwartz) � 5:38
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 06 May 2010 at 5:30pm
lucas wrote:
^
Thought this could interest you : This is the song list of her album 'tuesday night club music'. You will notice Kevin Gilbert (keyboards, guitar and drums on "run baby run") co-wrote 7 out of the 10 songs.
"Run, Baby, Run" (David Baerwald, Bill Bottrell, Crow) � 4:53
"Leaving Las Vegas" (Baerwald, Bottrell, Crow, Kevin Gilbert, David
Ricketts) � 5:10
"Strong Enough" (Baerwald, Bottrell, Crow, Kevin Gilbert, Brian MacLeod,
Ricketts) � 3:10
"Can't Cry Anymore" (Bottrell, Crow) � 3:41
"Solidify" (Baerwald, Bottrell, Crow, Kevin Gilbert, Kevin Hunter,
MacLeod, Ricketts) � 4:08
"The Na-Na Song" (Baerwald, Bottrell, Crow, Kevin Gilbert, MacLeod,
Ricketts) � 3:12
"No One Said It Would Be Easy" (Bottrell, Crow, Kevin Gilbert, Dan
Schwartz) � 5:29
"What I Can Do for You" (Baerwald, Crow) � 4:15
"All I Wanna Do" (Baerwald, Bottrell, Wyn Cooper, Crow, Kevin Gilbert) �
4:32
"We Do What We Can" (Bottrell, Crow, Kevin Gilbert, Schwartz) � 5:38
I'm very aware of her relationship with Kevin Gilbert... and that's why I hate her so much!
First of all, she never gave him any of the songwriting recognition that he deserved. She treated him like crap, leading ultimately to his death.
Just read this article which describes why he died (which was NOT suicide): http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/08.01.96/gilbert-obit-9631.html - http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/08.01.96/gilbert-obit-9631.html
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Posted By: DeathOfSeasons
Date Posted: 07 May 2010 at 12:27am
My non-Metal albums from the grab bags I got and other random stuff:
Angus & Julia Stone - A Book Like This
Bridezilla - The First Dance
Duff McKagan's Loaded - Sick
Eluveitie - Evocation I - The Arcane Dominion
Hellnation - Cheerleaders for Imperialism
Kate Nash - My Best Friend Is You
Lisa Mitchell - Welcome to the Afternoon
Motion City Soundtrack - Even If It Kills Me
Santigold - Santogold
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: 07 May 2010 at 4:57am
rushfan4 wrote:
Last night I bought the official Overhead Bootleg DVD.
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Posted By: Vehemency
Date Posted: 07 May 2010 at 5:20am
Ordered & paid today some good noise I still hadn't as real copies:
MANIA: "Insidious and Alone" tape PRAYING FOR OBLIVION: "Turm Schweigen" cd PRURIENT: "The Black Post Society" cd + SPECIAL INTERESTS #2 zine + free sampler
Posted By: Murphy
Date Posted: 07 May 2010 at 1:27pm
Vehemency wrote:
PRURIENT: "The Black Post Society" cd
I'd be interested to hear some thoughts on this one at some stage.
CD1. Lights Out New album of necro acoustic material recorded 2006-2008.
CD2. Malaise Reissue of the limited edition double cassette previously released on Hospital Productions in 2009.
CD3. Decrepit Previously
unreleased material from 1998-1999 and 2008 + reissue of Drumm's tracks
from split LP with 2673 on Kitty Play Records (2005) + the limited
edition LP on Dilemma Records (2008).
CD4. No Edit New album of prepared guitar material recorded in 2009.
CD5. Organ First
full lenght release of this classic track heard in edited form on the
"Comedy" album. This is the full 55 minute version as recorded by Jim
O'Rourke in 1996. Believed to have been lost for years, but recently
discovered.
Packaged as a solid box with gold print, individual CD-wallets and 24 page booklet.
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: 07 May 2010 at 7:31pm
I think with these two albums combined, I have witnessed the tightest production, performance and songwriting on all metal music (excluding classical music of course). And before anyone says "what about jazz?", they practically ARE jazz
Posted By: Sleepwalker
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 8:00am
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: 12 May 2010 at 12:25pm
J-Man wrote:
lucas wrote:
^
Thought this could interest you : This is the song list of her album 'tuesday night club music'. You will notice Kevin Gilbert (keyboards, guitar and drums on "run baby run") co-wrote 7 out of the 10 songs.
"Run, Baby, Run" (David Baerwald, Bill Bottrell, Crow) � 4:53
"Leaving Las Vegas" (Baerwald, Bottrell, Crow, Kevin Gilbert, David Ricketts) � 5:10
"Strong Enough" (Baerwald, Bottrell, Crow, Kevin Gilbert, Brian MacLeod, Ricketts) � 3:10
"Can't Cry Anymore" (Bottrell, Crow) � 3:41
"Solidify" (Baerwald, Bottrell, Crow, Kevin Gilbert, Kevin Hunter, MacLeod, Ricketts) � 4:08
"The Na-Na Song" (Baerwald, Bottrell, Crow, Kevin Gilbert, MacLeod, Ricketts) � 3:12
"No One Said It Would Be Easy" (Bottrell, Crow, Kevin Gilbert, Dan Schwartz) � 5:29
"What I Can Do for You" (Baerwald, Crow) � 4:15
"All I Wanna Do" (Baerwald, Bottrell, Wyn Cooper, Crow, Kevin Gilbert) � 4:32
"We Do What We Can" (Bottrell, Crow, Kevin Gilbert, Schwartz) � 5:38
I'm very aware of her relationship with Kevin Gilbert... and that's why I hate her so much!
First of all, she never gave him any of the songwriting recognition that he deserved. She treated him like crap, leading ultimately to his death.
Just read this article which describes why he died (which was NOT suicide): http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/08.01.96/gilbert-obit-9631.html - http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/08.01.96/gilbert-obit-9631.html
Yes, I know he died of AEA, which seems to be something commonly practiced among rock stars. Not sure his deteriorating relationship with Sheryl Crow lead to his death, apparently he was manic depressive and as I know from a clinical trial I work on currently, people affected with bipolar disorders have frequent suicidal ideations.
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: 22 May 2010 at 10:53am
Pearl Jam - Binaural Jamiroquai - Traveling Without Moving Oasis - (What's the Story) Morning Glory ? AFI - Decemberunderground
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: 23 May 2010 at 5:39am
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Posted By: progshine
Date Posted: 26 May 2010 at 2:56am
3 Amazon pieces:
Genesis - Wind & Whuthering Jethro Tull - Minstrel In The Gallery The Alan Parsons Project - Tales Of Mystery And Imagination Of Edgar Alan Poe
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 26 May 2010 at 3:10am
Reed Lover wrote:
...You quite sure you get what constitues Heavy Metal?
Obviously I edited out the Eno, but everything else... OK, I'll give you Colosseum...
Phenomenon is probably the first "Proper" heavy metal album.
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: 27 May 2010 at 1:21am
^ I agree with him. I don't consider AC/DC or Zeppelin metal either.
After this I will probably get the rest of their discography, even though I've listened to F#A# and it seems to pale to Skinny Fists.
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 27 May 2010 at 3:43am
topofsm wrote:
^ I agree with him. I don't consider AC/DC or Zeppelin metal either.
In that case, you need to listen to more of the music that made up "The New Wave of British Heavy Metal" - the era that gave rise to all true metal.
Try Diamond Head, for starters (hailed as "The New Led Zeppelin" by Geoff Barton of Sounds - the man who coined the phrase "New Wave of British Heavy Metal), then Krokus and Def Leppard (not their crappy mid '80s pop stuff).
You might then want to listen to Saxon - like AC/DC, Saxon plundered Chuck Berry's lick and riff catalogue mercilessly. Try also listening to Vardis, who were without question a HUGE influence on Metallica - probably as much as Diamond Head, although Metallica have never given Vardis the full tribute.
Listen also to "Smokin Valves" by Holocaust - a Chuck Berry inspired 12-bar boogie a la AC/DC. Holocaust, it goes without saying, were massively important.
It's interesting that Motorhead never considered themselves Heavy Metal (listen to the song "On Parole" (from Motorhead's shelved and cynically postumously released 1975 debut of the same name), and tell me it doesn't sound like something by AC/DC - the song "High Voltage", from AC/DC's 1975 debut springs to mind immediately - and it's also interesting that Black Sabbath had next to no influence on the NWoBHM - in which context, they're not really "proper" metal.
Note the phrase "in which context"
See, everyone thinks that the NWoBHM was like this huge backlash against the blues or something - it so wasn't in the early days - 12-bar made up a sizeable chunk of it, and that was as much Metal as the stuff it mutated to over the course of 4-5 years.
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: 27 May 2010 at 11:48pm
^I know what the NWOBHM movement is. I just don't find AC/DC or Zeppelin's compositions metal. Influential for metal, yes. But essentially they just come down to hard rock. Diamond Head and Saxon may bear some similarities to those bands, but they also give an element of heaviness and darkness that they lacked.
I understand that they don't have to be close to death or thrash to be metal, but I still can't think of AC/DC or Zeppelin as "metal" per se.
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: 28 May 2010 at 8:04am
Absolutely epic album. I do love this band
I'm really getting into soul and it's relatives... Jamiroquai and The Temptations have been a few of my other purchases. Any fans of this sorta stuff in?
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 28 May 2010 at 9:15am
topofsm wrote:
^I know what the NWOBHM movement is. I just don't find AC/DC or Zeppelin's compositions metal. Influential for metal, yes. But essentially they just come down to hard rock. Diamond Head and Saxon may bear some similarities to those bands, but they also give an element of heaviness and darkness that they lacked.
I understand that they don't have to be close to death or thrash to be metal, but I still can't think of AC/DC or Zeppelin as "metal" per se.
Think again - only today I reviewed a NWoBHM demo that was so clearly based on the riff from "Whole Lotta Rosie".
And I mentioned Krokus - who sounded more like AC/DC than AC/DC. I also mentioned Def Leppard, a key player in the NWoBHM, and definitely considered Metal at the time they released "On Through The Night" and "High and Dry", both of which have more than a few AC/DC influences.
"Powerage" is what I would call AC/DC's first "proper" metal album - the earlier ones are far more boogie than metal, even if very heavy. "Highway to Hell" and "Back in Black" are Metal classics period.
While they may not "be a metal band per se", they have put out material that is indisputably Metal - notably those two albums - together with "For Those About To Rock...", Powerage and "If You Want Blood...".
Whatever. AC/DC are a heavy metal band.
As for Zeppelin, I agree they're more proto - but at the time of the so-called "New Wave", who were considered the first wave?
Yup, Zeppelin, Purple et al (although it seems obvious now that Metal didn't really start until The Scorpions, UFO and The Sweet).
As for Zep's first LP, two words; "Communication Breakdown". What's not metal about that?
Why hard rock and not heavy metal, when it's actually heavy metal by design?
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: 28 May 2010 at 2:54pm
^ I'm speaking as a person who has not listened to very many AC/DC albums, but has listened to their music enough to know that most (if not all) their music is pretty much the same, with some slight differences between the Bon Scott and Brian Johnson era.
But I have listened to two albums by them, Back In Black and The Razor's Edge. And on those two albums plus various other 'single' type songs such as "Highway to Hell" and "For Those About to Rock" I have to say I only heard one song I would consider metal, "The Razor's Edge". That song is dark and brooding and starts with a fairly heavy and evil guitar line that would fit into pretty much any metal album.
As for Back in Black, how the hell is that indisputably a metal album. Ok, I can see why some would call Hell's Bells metal, it's pretty dark, but it's also midtempo and most of the other elements are relatively mild. The rest of the tracks aren't even close! Most of them are just the standard AC/DC upbeat rock songs we know and love, not heavy, not dark. There's energy, but not as fast as anything NWOBHM or with agressive lyrics (we all know they wrote about sex, partying, and sex, with maybe a few other things thrown in). Hell, "You Shook Me All Night Long" is downright joyous.
I'm sorry, but AC/DC for me is the archetypical hard rock band, and not a kind of metal band. And if you're going to tell me a blanket statement like "think again" I really doubt that helps. After all, they are mainly genres and pretty ambiguous. Someone may think of something as metal while someone else could think it couldn't be further from it.
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 29 May 2010 at 11:00am
topofsm wrote:
^ I'm speaking as a person who has not listened to very many AC/DC albums, but has listened to their music enough to know that most (if not all) their music is pretty much the same, with some slight differences between the Bon Scott and Brian Johnson era.
Saminess has nothing to do with it!
The production on Highway to Hell turned it from a "hard rock" album into a "heavy metal" album (not that there's very much difference when we're talking about the 1970s).
topofsm wrote:
But I have listened to two albums by them, Back In Black and The Razor's Edge. And on those two albums plus various other 'single' type songs such as "Highway to Hell" and "For Those About to Rock" I have to say I only heard one song I would consider metal, "The Razor's Edge". That song is dark and brooding and starts with a fairly heavy and evil guitar line that would fit into pretty much any metal album.
Doesn't have to be evil to be metal.
topofsm wrote:
As for Back in Black, how the hell is that indisputably a metal album.
It just is. How can it possibly not be?
topofsm wrote:
Ok, I can see why some would call Hell's Bells metal, it's pretty dark, but it's also midtempo
Get away from this idea that speed=metal. That is bullshit.
"For Whom The Bell Tolls" was practically modelled on that track, it's midtempo, and it's metal.
topofsm wrote:
and most of the other elements are relatively mild.
Elements of metal can be mild!
topofsm wrote:
The rest of the tracks aren't even close!
To what?
Evil sounding and fast?
Sorry, but you're talking about ONE species of metal alone - it's not all Napalm Death, you know.
topofsm wrote:
Most of them are just the standard AC/DC upbeat rock songs we know and love, not heavy, not dark.
They are heavy - I'm frankly staggered you don't think so, because they are.
And get away from this obsession with darkness - it ain't all dark.
topofsm wrote:
There's energy, but not as fast as anything NWOBHM
I beg to differ - there is lots of slower NWoBHM, and much in AD/DC that is very fast - The Rocker, for example, and their cover of "Baby Please Don't Go", then "Beating Around the Bush" - I could go on.
But speed is not everything - and not all metal is fast!
topofsm wrote:
or with agressive lyrics (we all know they wrote about sex, partying, and sex, with maybe a few other things thrown in). Hell, "You Shook Me All Night Long" is downright joyous.
Yes, but in a sleazy, some might say aggressive - at least misogynistic manner that befits Heavy Metal Rock and Roll.
topofsm wrote:
I'm sorry, but AC/DC for me is the archetypical hard rock band, and not a kind of metal band. And if you're going to tell me a blanket statement like "think again" I really doubt that helps. After all, they are mainly genres and pretty ambiguous. Someone may think of something as metal while someone else could think it couldn't be further from it.
Quite.
And it's "archetypal", not "archetypical".
"Think again" is helpful, because it looks like it's necessary.
Interestingly, I was listening to a Holocaust song the other day which praises the merits of Heavy Metal music (not Heavy Metal Mania), and it specified AC/DC as the music of choice for heavy metal fans implicitly.
I know full well that there are a lot of people that consider AC/DC metal, even if there is a similar sized army of baffled sub 25 year-olds that don't.
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: 29 May 2010 at 12:03pm
All I'm saying is you're comparing AC/DC to the NWOBHM movement. There's an element of darkness, agressiveness, speed, complexity, etc that is missing in AC/DC. When you strip away superficial elements of their sound get very basic riffs with standard drums. If they were played on acoustic guitars they would sound like bluesy rock riffs. Add the drums and it's still midtempo rock, there's nothing metal about the drums. Add in Bon Scott/Johnson and you've got your standard arena rock and roll singer, so you've still got a rock band. So once you add distortion, it's metal?
All I'm saying, there are other bands you've compared them too that simply still sound metal when stripped away. Saxon and Motorhead have those elements of agressiveness or darkness or speed that even when you listen on an acoustic guitar they sound metal.
I understand that you don't have to be necessarily fast and aggressive and dark and heavy to be metal. But you need some sort of mixture of at least a little of at least a couple of these elements. Power metal isn't always dark or heavy, but is fast by nature and often aggressive, and can contain dark minor key elements. Doom isn't fast or aggressive, but it's damned dark and heavy. NWOBHM has a mixture of all of these elements, but most notably has the element of speed and darkness that AC/DC lacks.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 29 May 2010 at 4:50pm
Just picked up these two at the library:
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: 29 May 2010 at 6:16pm
^^
Not sure who won the battle in the hard rock vs heavy metal discussion (for me both these terms are interchangeable), but coming back to the topic (a copy-paste from PA) :
Recent purchases (returning to an eclectic list) : - Lyle Lovett :
'Step inside this house' - Joseph Haydn - 'Symphonies n� 93, 84 &
95' (Sigiswald Kuijken, La petite bande) - Georg-Friedrich H�ndel -
'Gloria/Dixit Dominus' (Emma Kirkby, Royal academy of music baroque
orchestra / Anne-Sophie von Otter, Drottningholm baroque ensemble) -
Joseph Haydn - 'Sacred cantatas' (Emma Kirkby, London Baroque) - War -
'the world is a ghetto' - Metal Church - 'the dark' - Anathema -
'a natural disaster' - David Krakauer - 'Krakauer live in Krakow' -
The Adicts - 'Songs of praise' - Jaga Jazzist - 'one-armed bandit'
(not as good as on stage) - Toots Thielemans - 'ne me quitte pas' -
Toots Thielemans & Elis Regina - 'aquarela do Brasil'
to sum
up : classical music, punk, klezmer, atmospheric rock, thrash metal,
funk, country, electro-jazz, jazz and bossa nova !
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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 30 May 2010 at 4:46pm
topofsm wrote:
All I'm saying is you're comparing AC/DC to the NWOBHM movement. There's an element of darkness, agressiveness, speed, complexity, etc that is missing in AC/DC. When you strip away superficial elements of their sound get very basic riffs with standard drums. If they were played on acoustic guitars they would sound like bluesy rock riffs. Add the drums and it's still midtempo rock, there's nothing metal about the drums. Add in Bon Scott/Johnson and you've got your standard arena rock and roll singer, so you've still got a rock band. So once you add distortion, it's metal?
All I'm saying, there are other bands you've compared them too that simply still sound metal when stripped away. Saxon and Motorhead have those elements of agressiveness or darkness or speed that even when you listen on an acoustic guitar they sound metal.
I understand that you don't have to be necessarily fast and aggressive and dark and heavy to be metal. But you need some sort of mixture of at least a little of at least a couple of these elements. Power metal isn't always dark or heavy, but is fast by nature and often aggressive, and can contain dark minor key elements. Doom isn't fast or aggressive, but it's damned dark and heavy. NWOBHM has a mixture of all of these elements, but most notably has the element of speed and darkness that AC/DC lacks.
There's no point in trying to be scientific and discuss elements when it comes to heavy metal.
All the "elements" you mention are in AC/DC's music.
Whether the riffs are basic or not has NOTHING to do with heavy metal.
Whether the drums are standard or not has NOTHING to do with heavy metal.
There's nothing standard about Bon Scott or Brian Johnson - you really don't have a clue, do you? Or are you taking the piss?
Speed and especially complexity are utterly irrelevant to heavy metal - what makes you think they're so important? The whole point of the NWoBHM (where heavy metal was DEFINED) was that it was DIY - anyone could do it - not that it was complicated or necessarily fast. Heavy was the important bit, not necessarily darkness.
AC/DC played Heavy Metal, Heavy Rock, Hard Rock, Boogie, Blues and even a ballad. They weren't just influential, but an integral part of the NWoBHM as much as Priest, Motorhead, Sabbath and other non-NW bands.
There is practically no metal site on the internet that won't include Back In Black in its all-time top heavy metal albums list - it is a quintessential genre-defining metal album.
You cannot say that NWoBHM has the element of speed and darkness that AC/DC lacks because it is not true. There are much slower, much lighter and much blusier NWoBHM songs a-plenty.
Here's the Holocaust song I was thinking of, from the Heavy Metal Mania EP (around 3 minutes in, AC/DC are name-called, aside from the obvious AC/DC riffs that run through the song);
Here's one you might recognise at first that's quite slow, which will point to another, more famous track that isn't particularly speedy;
...and this is quite slow, and not doomy;
There are plenty of Saxon or Motorhead songs you could play on an acoustic and have them not sound metal;
You're making simple generalisms that are based on a lack of understanding of how metal developed - and the NWoBHM is a lot more than you think - it is NOT a style that can be expressed in terms of its elements, as my definition on this site glosses over nicely. It is an era that included MANY styles under the umbrella of Heavy Metal Rock and Roll.
I cannot believe this discussion is even taking place on a metal site!
Back in Black is a quintessential metal album.
I think an "Introduction to Heavy Metal" thread is needed, as there's either a high level of ignorance, or simply a high level of trollage - and I'll stop hijacking this one right now...
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: 30 May 2010 at 6:05pm
Yeah I'm not going to continue arguing about this, because this thread was meant for a separate purpose. Clearly we have two separate ideas about how metal is defined and what it sounds like, and there are people that agree with both sides.
I'm fine for arguing what bands are metal and which ones aren't, just not here.
EDIT: In any event, if I buy any more albums from bands "I" don't consider metal: AC/DC, Zeppelin, Slipknot, Tool, Rush, Porcupine Tree, etc. I'm still going to post those purchases here
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Date Posted: 30 May 2010 at 8:38pm
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2010 at 10:26am
Cynic: "Re-Traced" Muse: "The Resistance" Porcupine Tree: "Metanoia"
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2010 at 1:50pm
Queen: "The Works" The Storm: "Black Luck" [forgive me, UMUR ;-)]
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2010 at 7:19pm
Ron Carter - Etudes (vinyl) Tony Williams - Once In A lifetime (2LP vinyl) Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn (vinyl) Genesis - Spot The Pigeon EP ( blue vinyl) Dave Holland Quintet - Seeds Of Time (CD) Tomahawk - Mit Gas (CD)
Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 04 Jun 2010 at 12:25pm
Just came back from vinyl shopping:
Black Flag - My War (new) Marillion - Clutching At Straws Steve Hackett - Spectral Mornings Chris Squire - Fish out Of Water
Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2010 at 5:41pm
Damn busy week for me.
Oysterhead - The Grand Pecking Order
Massacre - Funny Valentine
Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2010 at 1:58pm
Radiohead - Pablo Honey
Medeski, Martin and Wood - Uninvisible
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2010 at 2:39pm
Stooge wrote:
Radiohead - Pablo Honey
I got that one recently too... It's pretty good. I'm not a Radiohead fan by any extent of the imagination, but I actually like Pablo Honey more than their more acclaimed releases.
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 3:38pm
The Pessimist wrote:
Absolutely epic album. I do love this band
I'm really getting into soul and it's relatives... Jamiroquai and The Temptations have been a few of my other purchases. Any fans of this sorta stuff in?
Yes, there are a lot of good artists in the genre : Donny Hathaway, Otis Redding, Marvin Gaye, Shuggie Otis, Booker T & the MG's, The Meters, Curtis Mayfield, The Sweet Vandals, Joe Battaan, Randy Crawford, Stevie Wonder, Isaac Hayes, Roy Ayers, Bettye Swann...
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2010 at 8:10pm
Dead Kennedys - Plastic Surgery Disasters/In God We Trust Inc. CD
and for some visual entertainment: Curb Your Enthusiasm - The Complete Seventh Season
Posted By: FusionKing
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2010 at 7:34pm
YES- YES
TIME AND A WORD- YES
ZOOT ALLURES- FRANK ZAPPA
THE MAN FROM UTOPIA- FRANK ZAPPA
CHEAP THRILLS- FRANK ZAPPA
WAKA/JAWAKA- FRANK ZAPPA
BREATHLESS- CAMEL
THE FLYING TEAPOT RADIO GNOME INVISIBLE Pt.1- GONG
ANGELS EGG (RGI Pt.2)- GONG
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2010 at 7:47am
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2010 at 1:43pm
Silverchair - Young Modern (w/DVD)
Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2010 at 1:44pm
Just came back from record shopping.
Black Flag - In My Head (brand new)
The rest are used records.
Bill Cosby - Sports
Wes Montgomery - Down Here On The Ground
Ron Carter - New York Slick
Bill Evans - Living In The Crest Of A Wave
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2010 at 10:58am
Stooge wrote:
Bill Cosby - Sports
I have that one! I don't think I've heard it in a while, but I remember it being hilarious!
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2010 at 1:29pm
A package I ordered just arrived today. It consists of:
Medeski Scofield Martin & Wood - Out Louder (CD + T-shirt)
Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2010 at 1:30pm
J-Man wrote:
Stooge wrote:
Bill Cosby - Sports
I have that one! I don't think I've heard it in a while, but I remember it being hilarious!
I enjoyed this one a lot. I've got quite a few of his records from the 60s. All top notch comedy. He's an excellent storyteller.
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2010 at 3:17pm
Got back from my grandma's house with some great metal and non-metal stuff...
IQ - The Wake Marillion - Brave (to replace MP3's) Marillion - Happiness is the Road, Volume 1: Essence (to replace MP3's) Marillion - Happiness is the Road, Volume 2: The Hard Shoulder (to replace MP3's) The Flower Kings - Adam & Eve
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2010 at 3:19pm
Stooge wrote:
J-Man wrote:
Stooge wrote:
Bill Cosby - Sports
I have that one! I don't think I've heard it in a while, but I remember it being hilarious!
I enjoyed this one a lot. I've got quite a few of his records from the 60s. All top notch comedy. He's an excellent storyteller.
My dad has most of his comedy records on vinyl, and your purchase sparked an interest. I went through the records and listened to 4 of the records the other day. He is indeed a fantastic storyteller.
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2010 at 11:44am
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2010 at 2:06pm
The Pessimist wrote:
Absolutely epic album. I do love this band
I'm really getting into soul and it's relatives... Jamiroquai and The Temptations have been a few of my other purchases. Any fans of this sorta stuff in?
I'm a huge EW&F follower...since about '75ish...then when All n All came out that solidified my love for them. Maurice White I think is just an amazing mind and producer...The spinoffs from this era and band are pretty good, Al McKay's LA All Stars is a good one to check out, many former members of EW&F.
They were the only ones that I know of that could meld carribean, african, soul, jazz, blues into the funky EW&F sound. Check out "Alive in '75" if you want to hear one of their best live perfomances...
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2010 at 1:34pm
Picked up some vinyl.
Michael Hedges - Live On The Double Planet
U.K. - Danger Money
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2010 at 4:05pm
A mix of library rentals (which I put on my PC) and actual purchases...
Marillion - Marbles
Hiromi's Sonicbloom - Beyond Standard
North Star - Tempest
The Decemberists - The Crane Wife
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 4:10pm
The Who - Who's Next (re-release with bonus tracks)
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2010 at 12:12pm
The John Betsch Society - Earth Blossom
Killer JR/F with a bit of funk/psych/soul
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Posted By: progshine
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2010 at 12:43am
rushfan4 wrote:
Just ordered my 2dvd version of the documentary. Just download it and watch (can't wait the deliver date ) just amazing!!!
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2010 at 9:10am
Burnin' Red Ivanhoe: "M144"
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2010 at 2:12pm
John Scofield - Bump
Bill Frisell - Blues Dream Live DVD
Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2010 at 2:55pm
A few records.
Bruford - Feels Good To Me
David Bowie - David Bowie (40th Anniversary Limited Edition)
Posted By: LittleBig
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2010 at 4:36pm
Yes - Talk - to me its their best album of the 90s, of course.
Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2010 at 9:58am
I visited my sister yesterday and found these non-metal music books at a used book store:
Market Square Heroes - The Authorized Story of Marillion
Marillion - In Words & Pictures
Posted By: Vehemency
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2010 at 6:17am
Now ordered a real copy of this magnificent album, one of the best this year so far...
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2010 at 12:39pm
Got in the mail yesterday along with album T-shirt:
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Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2010 at 1:05pm
Today:
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Posted By: Callergrim
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2010 at 10:01am
Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2010 at 1:22pm
Jello Biafra with the Melvins - Sieg Howdy!
Ornette Coleman - The Art Of The Improvisers
Posted By: progshine
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2010 at 11:24pm
Just ordered my http://progshine.com/?page_id=4801 - cd, my poor old lp's almost dying, too much spins
And, wth, non metal? Of course this is HARDCORE...
StarCraft II: Wings Of Liberty totally in portuguese, Welcome to Brazil Blizzard
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2010 at 3:47pm
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Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2010 at 6:09pm
As everybody knows I have a thing for African music. Syllart released a heap of albums from the Golden Years 1960's to mid 80.s from the Dem. Rep. of the Congo or Zaire if you missed the name change a few years back. Anyway I own some already and once these go out of print I doubt very much if they would ever be reissued . I really like Tabu Ley Rochereau,Mbilia Bel and Grand Kalle. Classic Zairean Rhumba with heaps of that skippy guitar and horns of course. The Madilu one is not Syllart but on the PAV label.
Posted By: progshine
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2010 at 10:39pm
Pekka wrote:
WoW, I just love Joni Mitchell, didn't recognize this cover, very beautifull, do you recommend 'For The Roses'?
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Posted By: DreamInSong
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2010 at 11:38pm
Edit: Oh! And the same one as the above poster, Joni rocks! Edit #2: Haha, I didn't actually read the above post, just saw the picture. I don't know Pekka likes it, but I'm enjoying it, a few melodies feel reused, overall great though
Posted By: progshine
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 1:32am
DreamInSong wrote:
Edit: Oh! And the same one as the above poster, Joni rocks! Edit #2: Haha, I didn't actually read the above post, just saw the picture. I don't know Pekka likes it, but I'm enjoying it, a few melodies feel reused, overall great though
I've listened the samples of this record, it seems a great record, am I right?
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 2:36am
progshine wrote:
Pekka wrote:
WoW, I just love Joni Mitchell, didn't recognize this cover, very beautifull, do you recommend 'For The Roses'?
I did the first listen yesterday and it felt very good, not quite as stunning as Blue, but still very good
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Posted By: progshine
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 3:20am
Pekka wrote:
progshine wrote:
Pekka wrote:
WoW, I just love Joni Mitchell, didn't recognize this cover, very beautifull, do you recommend 'For The Roses'?
I did the first listen yesterday and it felt very good, not quite as stunning as Blue, but still very good
Oh Blue:
One of the most amazing pieces ever written in music
Have to post this pic here, she's so pretty
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Posted By: progshine
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 3:24am
Earlier:
Shaman - Ritual (2002)
Great album!
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2010 at 10:51am
Talking Heads - Fear Of Music
King Crimson - The Nightwatch: Live at the Amsterdam Concertgebouw November 23rd 1973