I can't stand Slayer
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Topic: I can't stand Slayer
Posted By: elder08
Subject: I can't stand Slayer
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2010 at 1:21pm
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Whole band is shit, there are so many better bands but yet this one is considered Metal Legend? Makes no sense honestly would rather listen to 3oh!3 than slayer and i HATE POP!
My reasoning behind this thread is i was wondering if im the only one, I mean they're not that good and I was wondering if you like them, why you do? ------------- I scrolled through the offended page and listened to cannibal corpse while masturbating.-elder08 |
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Posted By: Sleepwalker
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2010 at 1:33pm
| I'm perfectly fine with you creating a thread to find out why people consider Slayer a Metal legend, but you don't need to say that the whole band is shit because you don't like them yourself. |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2010 at 1:48pm
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Nope that might be a bit out of line really. At least elaborate on what you don�t like about them. Is it the vocals, the excessive guitar soloing...etc. Have you listened to every single album by the band? And if not which albums do you base your contempt on? They�ve made quite a few you know and they don�t all sound the same.
I�ll state why I�m about the worlds�s biggest fan in my reviews.  ------------- http://www.lyngby-boldklub.dk/" rel="nofollow - Forever TRUE - Forever BLUE! https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: DeathOfSeasons
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2010 at 1:55pm
| I wouldn't call Slayer shit but I'll say they're definitely overrated. Their post-Reign in Blood material is pretty boring to me, and even their classic albums are still overrated. For me the main thing Slayer had going for them (well apart from the kick ass riffs) was their speed. When I first heard Reign in Blood it sounded so fresh and energetic, but for me that feeling left once I heard South of Heaven. |
Posted By: elder08
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2010 at 2:23pm
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your right about the shit thing but i shall elaborate i heard raining blood because my friend decided to show me them when i got into Cannibal Corpse. I really hated the vocals and didnt like how the whole song kinda sounded off key. I would dwell into more songs but they seem satanist or at least hardcore atheist with live stages graffitied in " GOD HATES YOU" ------------- I scrolled through the offended page and listened to cannibal corpse while masturbating.-elder08 |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2010 at 2:41pm
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Slayer were too extreme for my tastes back in the day, although a friend did have Reign In Blood and it wasn't too bad. We were listening to Metallica, Megadeth, Exodus, Overkill and the Suicidal Tendencies around that same time. ------------- 
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2010 at 3:43pm
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Slayer had some good riffs but they were always #4 of the big 4 for me. (Actually probably behind Testament too.) Araya's vocals were just too raw and the whole music was just more punk like, and I'm not a punk fan. Too stripped down, just about as much nuance as a boulder.
I remember watching a band covering a Slayer tune in high school and one of the parents bursting out laughing because the lyrics were so bad.
But good riffs earns you some respect in the world of metal no matter what. ------------- We're gonna do a little number featuring Randy Rhoads... Wine is fine but whisky's quicker. That's what Rock n' Roll's About!!!! |
Posted By: Stephen
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2010 at 11:39pm
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@elder : looks like the main reason you hate Slayer is because they have a satanic imagery, but in fact, that's only pure theatrical and not reflecting their true belief. I once heard that Tom Araya is even a church activist (don't know if it's true) while Kerry King is probably indeed an atheist, but hearing them is just like watching horror movie, just for fun. anyway, i agree with Jay's opinion that they had several good riffs but nothing's really memorable and interest me as much as Metallica or Testament to me :) |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2010 at 12:31am
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I think Reign in Blood is a fantastic half hour of senseless violence, one of my favourite metal albums. Seasons in the Abyss is another great Slayer album and I quite like Christ Illusion as well. I should listen to more of South of Heaven. ------------- http://iamthreepeople.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow">  <- Click on this!
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2010 at 1:53am
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^Oh hell yeah you should definitely listen more to South of Heaven. It took a lot of years to grow on me, but now it�s one of my favorites. Take a listen to the excessive soloing in Live Undead or the simple but effectful start in Spill the Blood. I love that album. ------------- http://www.lyngby-boldklub.dk/" rel="nofollow - Forever TRUE - Forever BLUE! https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: MAVIIIVAM
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2010 at 5:02am
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I'm in agreement with most accessments with Slayer, Though I do understand why the the are considered a Classic among Thrash, they were the 1st to play their type of Thrash Metal, they started this trend of "this kind", and at the beginning when I 1st heard them, they deffinately have "Punk" roots, but so did Iron Maiden. It wasnt till Reign in Blood did I "like" them, I LOVE Araya's Screaming Raw Vocals though, and Dave Lombardo is one of the most technical and fastest drummers still (especially then, that is until we all heard Morbid Angel), but I think his true skills shown in his Band "Grip Inc." when he left Slayer. And I was a fan of his replacement Paul Bostaph years before with the Great Tech- Thrashers "Forbidden". The thing that I noticed in their beginning and in Reign, Hanneman and King were awesome at riffage from Hell! But their soloing was, well . . . like mine back then, I DIDNT KNOW HOW TO SOLO  (and I'm still working at it).They had no "theory", it was noodling to the purest sence, it was "fake" scales, it was just fingers going fast all over the fret board to fit into the structures of each song. But as the each Album came, Hanneman got MUCH better, and King is STILL a noodler  , lets face it, he's the rythem guitarist and has come up with some awesome riffs and I think thats where he is very comfortable while adding his "signature" whammy bar trems. I too am a bit cringy when I read the lyrics, and the way they "avoid" the questions of what theyre beliefs or song lyrics stand for/what purpose, has always made me scratch my head. But I guess thats theyre right, they dont need to or want to be role-models. But everytime I see Kerry in an interview, it seems like he wants to punch out the interviewer, the man has some issues, I can feel the animosity through the TV screen, and from everything I've heard, he's an athiest and has a hatred for "Gods", which always astounds me, theyre lyrics can be really intelligent at times but "logic" tells me, its not Gods fault, its MAN who interpets what THEY want to hear and use it to their own advantage. The last few albums have gotten more explicit and its a total turn-off, I like the "sound" of the latest, but most of the lyrics turned me off, lyrics mean alot to me so I cant avoid it. I mean NO disrespect to the Fans, they have a "Legion" litterally, and I understand it, but I dont understand the fanatism that follows them, engraving the Slayer Logos on themselves and other maniacle behaviour of some. I'm sure they think "man those are some sick F***s!" but at the same time they take it as "This is the kind of fans we have, thats why we are here". Okay so I'm a Christian "believer", but I actually like "Deicide" because theyre soo heavy, aggressive and evil that they amaze me that theyre excellent musicians, but I'd be hard pressed to buy their albums (And Satanism is soo full of paradoxes I just shake my head. I'm sure the same can be said for my beliefs, yet the core of my beliefs is for good, not dark, and gives people hope, not un-abashed reason to be self destructive or destructive and, and, and etc. etc.). If I were to own Slayer albums: Reign in Blood (which I do) Seasons in the Abyss South of Heaven (and this) and "War Ensemble" is a GREAT song! Now I guess I'll get  (but I'll take some with me!  )------------- "If you're happy to be an Ant in the Sand Box, you're welcome to it!" -Forbidden For Progressive Metal and Prog Rock, come visit, request songs and explore at PrOgulus.com |
Posted By: FusionKing
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2010 at 3:46pm
| I really like Slayer. I very much like the riffs, enjoy the atonal soloing and actually I am happy with the vocals, they're perfectly suited to the brutality of the tunes, raw, crude yet never get too much for me. As for thier image, I'm a serious atheist, so it doesn't bother me, I quite enjoy a bit of heathenistic imagery in my metal! |
Posted By: The T 666
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2010 at 5:15pm
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There's no problem with a thread about one disliking a band, but I think "Slayer Hater" sends a wrong message...I'll change the thread title. ------------- 
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Posted By: Beekeeper
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2010 at 12:59am
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I agree to an extent with the original post. They're certainly mediocre, they only have one riff, play the worst solos in all of metal and are hopelessly one dimensional. They're just considered legendary because they're popular and accessible and those factors blow things out of proportion. There were dozens of bands around at the same time that had better riffs, better vocals and proper guitar solos. |
Posted By: Harry
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2010 at 3:05am
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As individual musicians (excluding the drummers) they were never THAT great, but MAN, something just f**king happened when they came together as a collective. Reign in Blood will always be in my top 5 favorite 80s thrash metal albums along with Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?, So Far, So Good, So What? , Master of Puppets and Ride The Lightning ------------- 
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Posted By: NecronCommander
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2010 at 11:04am
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I like Slayer, but only to some extent. True, they have hardcore punk roots, but they deserve their spot in the Big 4. My only real complaint with them is that their music is all too similar. There are obviously some standout tracks that are seriously awesome, but for the most part, their riffage, drumming, lyrics, vocal style, and themes are all one in the same, across all albums. I think the extent of their themes gave them a lot of appeal for being pretty edgy. I prefer Testament as well. |
Posted By: The T 666
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2010 at 5:48pm
This. Bostaph and Lombardo were (are) masters of the drum, but neither Araya, nor Hanneman or King are more than average musicians. Yet their combination creates sparks of serious power. Reign in Blood is amazing, but so is Seasons in the Abyss and South Of Heaven, and some songs in Hell Awaits and Divine Intervention. They went downhill afterwards, but they have regained some of their lost greatness with last years' World Painted Blood -------------
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Harry wrote:Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2010 at 9:02pm
The same for me. I've barely been able to tell between certain songs. Especially on RIB, where after Angel of Death it seems to be a 20 minute fest of rapid boom-chas on the drum and undistinct quick riffs on the guitar. ------------- Lost respect for these archives when I saw Creed added, among other bands. Not going to be foruming here anymore. You can keep my reviews if you want. |
Posted By: slow man
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2010 at 3:27pm
| I really like them. They give me exactly what I want to hear when I'm in the mood for ruthless thrash. They have their own sound with rough vocals, wild-noisy solos and spectacular drumwork. Sure,there are more bands but Slayer gives me the aggression I simply like the most. Their music is original,especially the first years of their carreer,and has influenced many other bands. I don't think they are overrated.It's a good thing when people go out of their mind on Slayer. When I was younger there were times I released almost every day my energy on them. Now today my collection is too big to hear them regular,but still they are favorite. Hell awaits & South of heaven are some of the classic albums, but I also like albums as Divine intervention & Christ illusion. The weakest album is Diabolus in musica. However it has great tracks as Bitter peace,Scrum &Point;also maybe the most progressive album. As far as I understood they won't continue Slayer when the members reach an age of far in the 50. |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2010 at 4:01pm
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I like Slayer - they're pure energy, mean riffage, and insane shreddy solos - I guess their music is pure anger. And I really like Tom Araya's voice; I think it's much better now than when he was younger. It took some time for me to be able to appreciate Slayer, because they were so extreme - and, in a way, they're still more extreme and angry than many death metal bands are. If I'm pissed off, I listen to slayer, and my anger goes away, because I can live it our through rocking along with their music. I think they're great. ------------- 
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Posted By: mosefus
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2010 at 10:41am
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I tend to agree with the posts complaining that the OP's initial comment was a bit redundant (I hate Slayer, without expanding on why) but at least it triggered a bit of debate. For me, Slayer are in my top three bands, Iron Maiden being another permanent in that elite, then I waver between In Flames (early stuff), Dark Tranquillity, Nile, and a few that I can't remember right now. Listening to Slayer is like getting on a rollercoaster. You know what you're going to get, it's the same every time and they deliver the thrills with alarming consistency. The complaint that they are too samey is valid though seems a touch pedantic. They were true pioneers and pretty much invented a style that is copied even to this day. They found a formula, they figured out how to repeat it with success and by satan they stuck to it. The dreadful late nineties, early noughties stuff is testament to that, really, as they tried to adapt, tried to do something new and simply failed. They're a one trick pony but, let's face it, most of us here wish we had a trick half as good as them. ------------- http://www.smellthecult.com http://www.smellthecult.blogspot.com Keep it metal and ye shall be wise |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2010 at 10:53am
That's probably the best Slayer-analogy I've ever heard :-) -------------
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Posted By: elder08
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2010 at 1:41pm
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Hmph alot of people are against me on this but you guys are seriously only talking about reign in blood what about something else they did? That would be like me saying that Dark Side of the Moon is good and that i like pink floyd but i hate alot of there other albums. (btw i fucking love all of floyds stuuf) ------------- I scrolled through the offended page and listened to cannibal corpse while masturbating.-elder08 |
Posted By: elder08
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2010 at 1:43pm
------------- I scrolled through the offended page and listened to cannibal corpse while masturbating.-elder08 |
Posted By: mosefus
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2010 at 5:33pm
Let's take your points 1 at a time. Number 1: Lack of originality Find me a band, before Reign in Blood, that released anything that sounded like Reign in Blood. Find me a band, before South of Heaven....well, you get the idea. There is a huge difference between a band stagnating and retreading old ground on later material, and being unoriginal. To conclude that Slayer were unoriginal when they first came picking and strumming out of Satan's own udders smacks of ludicrousness, as countless testimonies from adoring bands that followed and cited them as a primary influence would seem to back up. There are few bands out there - though Venom are one before you throw that one at me - that can claim influence as highly as Slayer, particularly on the more extreme end of the metal spectrum. And to have such influence would seem to suggest that they were doing something a little bit different than others, then others picked it up and cloned it. Slayer unoriginal? I think not. 2: Stupid hate vocals. I think you are confusing the word vocals with lyrics here, Vocals describes the style of delivery, lyrics the words themselves. There is no question that Slayer write deliberately provocative lyrics, and would probably be overjoyed that they piss off as many people as they entertain. Sometimes the lyrics are hackneyed and contrived, sometimes inspired. You use the word hate as if it were a bad thing. Given that the band named a song on their latest album Hate Worldwide, seems to me they want both their lyrics and their vocal delivery to be chock full of hate. Whether you personally care for it is entirely up to you, but they do what they say on the tin. 3: Horrible bass guitar. Well, I don't think I've ever heard a single note Tom has ever played, as the bass is so low in the mix so either I am deaf as a post or you possess preternatural hearing. Either way, I cannot possibly comment. 4: Yet again vocals. I refer you to my reply to point number 2. To give some balance, I feel I made it clear in my original reply that I am not some blind Slayer devotee. Yes, they are one of my favourite bands, but that doesn't make them perfect. Even on their 'classic' albums there were misfires. I personally don't care for Blood Red, the insufferable Judas Priest cover from South of Heaven or Hardening of the Arteries. In fact the misfires only make the good stuff even better as it suggests that these were legitimate songs written by a real band, with ideas all their own, allowed to put out what they wanted by a record label that trusted them, sometimes naively. To me that is way preferable than the same same, exec sanctioned tracks found on a lot of modern metal, with albums clocking in over the one hour mark with only sufficient decent riffs to make up half that run time. Slayer are not perfect but, could I ever attain their levels of imperfection musically, I would be more than happy. ------------- http://www.smellthecult.com http://www.smellthecult.blogspot.com Keep it metal and ye shall be wise |
Posted By: Phonebook Eater
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 12:13am
| well, I really think Reign Of Blood is one of the best metal albums of all time, but all the other albums aren't so great... |
Posted By: elder08
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 2:28pm
2: Seems to me that you might be a fanboy when it comes to slayer know what im saying as true but instead try to insult me by correcting my mistakes on saying vocals instead of lyrics (You obviously werent confused otherwise you wouldnt have corrected me)
3:You agree deep down inside yet you decide to insult me yet again with the fact that i can hear a bass. (your fucking deaf then) honestly if you try to listen for bass you can hear it you know what its probably all that horrible shit slayer wrote that youve been listening to ------------- I scrolled through the offended page and listened to cannibal corpse while masturbating.-elder08 |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 2:57pm
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For what it's worth, I think Slayer are truly awesome. |
Posted By: mosefus
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 4:16pm
------------- http://www.smellthecult.com http://www.smellthecult.blogspot.com Keep it metal and ye shall be wise |
Posted By: alberto mu�oz
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 4:56pm
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Slayer... good band, great guitars. |
Posted By: FusionKing
Date Posted: 11 May 2010 at 8:39am
| Hey, elder08, even if you are the one and only 'Slayer Hater' in the village (by the way, I was not at all offended by the old post name, I found it quite amusing and pretty epic actually) then, you might as well be proud of being a little different. I hate most modern metal and have been slammed for it a few times but I like the fact that I'm a wee bit unusual. I'm a Slayer fan by the way. |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 11 May 2010 at 9:44am
Like what? (just out of curiosity) -------------
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Posted By: MAVIIIVAM
Date Posted: 11 May 2010 at 10:32am
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"Should of never opened that can of worms
When you popped the lid they crawl across the floor
Watch em writhing everywhere
They're everywhere
When you popped the lid did they fall across the floor
Watch em crawling everywhere
Pop the lid and down we go
It's everywhere, they're everywhere
pop the lid so now you know
They're everywhere, it's everywhere They're everywhere!!!" -Forbidden/"Kannaworms" Well, happy days are here again, mis-understandings, fights, beer strewn across the stage and hits your favorite singer in the face . . . All the stupidity and aggression one comes to expect in . . . HEAVY METAL I'm in total agreement with Fusion King, I too have many Bands I could care less about that others deem the centers of the universe. But hey, as you see in many of the threads, you keep seeing "the same people " ,dont worry, more will show up, either to agree or be the typical rude
and "my way or the highway" attitudes that get me angry about "our own kind" (dont mis-understand, I believe in "opinions" but why not be constructive and get into specifics)  .Yes, as TS asked, What are these "Modern Metal Bands" that dont measure up? Enquiring minds want to FRY you imeanwant to know  .Let the dis-agreements begin! WooHoo!!! ------------- "If you're happy to be an Ant in the Sand Box, you're welcome to it!" -Forbidden For Progressive Metal and Prog Rock, come visit, request songs and explore at PrOgulus.com |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 11 May 2010 at 11:48am
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Discussing tastes in music, or whatever, is next to impossible. I generally want to respect people's tastes. I'm sure that a lot of the bands I like and don't like would generate abhorrence in many a hardcore metalhead ;-) But it's always interesting to know what people like and what they don't like, and what it is they like and don't like about it.
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: 11 May 2010 at 12:06pm
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Thanks for that. Be sure to keep us updated. GET BACK UNDER YOUR BRIDGE AND KEEP YOUR GODDAMN OPINIONS TO YOURSELF. Oh yeah and did I forget to mention... Slayer can't stand you either. |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 11 May 2010 at 1:15pm
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I don't think Slayer even care ;-)
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: 11 May 2010 at 2:24pm
Hey guys, cool down already ! I understand that it is very annoying (and that's an understatement) to see one of your favourite bands bashed - this is why I think negative threads are not such a good idea. However, let's not start calling each other names - that's not a good idea either.
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Posted By: FusionKing
Date Posted: 13 May 2010 at 7:47am
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(Answer to Time Signature's question)
The modern metal I was referring to are the following genres...
Grindcore, Metalcore and Nu Metal.
I love my old school heavy metal, glam, prog, power, doom and thrash.
I feel the newer genres have the all the aggression of metal but have lost much of the capacity to write a good tune. I also don't have a lot of time for screaming as there's a time and a place for that effect. the voice is an instrument that can be used for much more. I will elaborate if you wish in another post , but my coffee is going cold at the present moment.
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