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Topic: Deathcore + Hardcore, Suggested by UMUR

Posted By: m@x
Subject: Deathcore + Hardcore, Suggested by UMUR
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2010 at 9:44am

UMUR wrote:

I noticed that there�s a metalcore sub but not a deathcore sub. So I�d like to suggest a Deathcore sub and well also a Hardcore sub. I realise that Hardcore is rooted in punk and punk isn�t exactly metal but there are many hardcore artists that blend metal elements into their sound. Take Biohazard or Hatebreed for example.

Let's talk about this...

How about DEATHCORE could be included in the DEATH METAL subgenre ?

HARDCORE, not sure, what metal heads in general thinks about this one, I am kind of not incline to add it ?

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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2010 at 12:20pm

I actually agree with Deathcore bands being put into the death metal sub, and my initial suggestion was more based on metalcore having its own subgenre, which I find unnecessary as most metalcore acts as far as I understand are american bands playing their own version of the melodic gothenburg death metal style. So I�m sorry that I was a bit vague in my suggestion. So here it is: Is there really a need for a seperat metalcore genre?

I of course stand by my hardcore sub suggestion because were would you put bands like Biohazard and Hatebreed if not in a hardcore sub?

Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2010 at 1:10pm

Hmm...I see that my definition of metalcore is pretty different from the one on the genre page. I guess I�ll let that one rest

Opinions about a hardcore sub are still interesting though.

Posted By: DeathOfSeasons
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2010 at 6:30pm

I guess it could, but what do you do with Deathcore bands that are just as much Metalcore as they are Deathcore? Take Salt the Wound or Bring Me the Horizon for example, do they go under Metalcore or Death Metal? I'd say Metalcore.

Posted By: Waiting
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2010 at 9:39am

I dont know, Deathcore and metalcore have distinguished themselves far from any kind of death metal in my opinion, and are closer to hardcore, and even grindcore (annotations of an autopsy, beneath the massacre, Waking the cadaver). This difference is not only found in the music played (breakdowns

), but also in mentality. Subject matter in metal/deathcore is more about relationships, and problems with people in contrast to death and morbid, gory imagery portrayed by death metal groups (though some deathcore groups like Chelsea Grin shore the gory subject matter). I might just be being knit-picky, but when you listen to a more straight forward death metal group like Cannibal corpse, Morbid angel, or even Necrophagist, finding simularities to the Devil wears prada, Bring me the Horizon, or All shall parish is a hard thing to do.

IMO, the deathcore groups should go to metalcore, unless they have very strong death metal roots like Job For a Cowboy, or Belay my last.

Posted By: DeathOfSeasons
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 7:49pm

Well is there anyway we could get Deathcore added as a new genre? It would seem that most Deathcore is too Death Metal to be Metalcore but too Metalcore to be Death Metal if that makes sense

Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 10:30pm

Again, as i said previously, we need to think about the visitors/metal newbie(intermediate) that want the site help him discover new music.

While I understand the need to SPLIT styles, we must also keep in mind the re-grouping, re-grouping bands/albums that drive similar fans (if this may help).

I think that too many sub-genres on the site, will confuse more than help.

Posted By: MrEdifus
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 10:31pm

As far as the general metal community is concerned, metalcore and deathcore share a "lower tier" of metal. So I think it makes the most sense to put the two of them together.

Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 10:38pm

So... Metalcore that include Deathcore, good.

Any other sub-genres that can fit in the main Metalcore ?

Posted By: MrEdifus
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 10:42pm

I can't think of any others, really. Except for actual hardcore and post-hardcore, neither of which is really metal, nothing else really fits the -core label.

Posted By: Waiting
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 10:43pm

m@x wrote:

So... Metalcore that include Deathcore, good.

Seconded.

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"Amidst Universal Pandemonium and Those Who Slither and Crawl Shall Rise Again Once More to Inherit the Earth"

Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 11:01pm

Done, metalcore + deathcore + mathcore , all grouped as METALCORE.

Great. thanks guys.

Now it's time to clean up and make sure the albums listed is OK