'alternative' metal... discuss
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Topic: 'alternative' metal... discuss
Posted By: micky
Subject: 'alternative' metal... discuss
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2010 at 4:48pm
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thoughts.... possible definitions... does such a thing exist? for those that missed it.... came up while discussing Alice in Chains.. and others of the ilk and time period not added here. |
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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2010 at 5:21pm
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Like Soundgarden or some like that...
Well, there are bands that plays very loud that fits great in the Alternative definition, but that can be considered metal for their heaviness... I guess those bands exists... You know... Godsmack and Disturbed are bands that fit with that definition... right?
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2010 at 2:04am
I'm going to quote myself from this thread: http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65 - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65
There's a very good article on alternative metal in Wikipedia here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_metal - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_metal It very well puts to words the idea I've had of the genre all along, so I think we could replace Nu-Metal with Alternative Metal and include the Nu field in it along with all these other bands. ------------- http://iamthreepeople.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow">  <- Click on this!
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Pekka wrote:Posted By: Balthamel
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2010 at 2:25am
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well Soudgarden is here, they are listed as Doom metal, and im quite pleased by that. I think it suits them better and they fitt the describtion for Doom metal so maybe Alice in Chains also cold be Doom metal |
Posted By: Balthamel
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2010 at 2:25am
| and congrats Micky, now a Groupie |
Posted By: DeathOfSeasons
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2010 at 2:36am
Really? I do not here any Doom Metal at all in Alice in Chains or Soundgarden.
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2010 at 2:40am
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Whoa, I've never thought those bands could be even close to doom metal. To me that word means the e x t r e m e l y s l o w sorrow marches of Reverend Bizarre and the storm outbreak of Sabbath's title track. As far as I know Soundgarden, there is a tiny bit of doominess I guess, but I hear none of that in AiC. Am I becoming a genre w**ker?  ------------- http://iamthreepeople.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow"> <- Click on this!
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2010 at 6:43am
I do have a habit of racking up posts  |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2010 at 6:47am
I don't think think either really fits... 'doom metal'. reading all the responses... personally I think some sort of alternative (as in music) metal would be a nice addition here. The definition? Wiki might be a good place to start.. Alternative metal is a genre of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music - heavy metal that gained popularity in the early 1990s. Most notably, alternative metal bands are characterized by heavy guitar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riff - riffs ; typically, these riffs have a pronounced http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_music - experimental edge, including unconventional http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyrics - lyrics , odd http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_signatures - time signatures , more syncopation than typical metal, unusual technique, a resistance to conventional approaches to heavy music and an incorporation of a wide range of influences outside of the metal music scene. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_metal#cite_note-0 - [1] The term is used as a very loose categorization, but is usually used to describe artists playing a style of heavy metal music with an " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative - alternative " approach. Many bands categorized as "alternative metal" are equally influenced by alternative rock and heavy metal. Initially alternative metal appealed mainly to alternative rock fans since virtually all 80s alt-metal bands had their roots in the American http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_music - rock underground scene. Alt-metal bands commonly emerged from hardcore punk ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrosion_of_Conformity - Corrosion of Conformity ), post-punk/noise rock ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmet_%28band%29 - Helmet , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jesus_Lizard - The Jesus Lizard ), grunge ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_in_Chains - Alice in Chains , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundgarden - Soundgarden ), or industrial ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_%28band%29 - Ministry , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Inch_Nails - Nine Inch Nails ).[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed - citation needed ] These bands never formed a distinct movement or scene; rather they were bound by their incorporation of traditional metal influences and openness to experimenting with the form. For example, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janes_Addiction - Jane's Addiction utilized http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performance_art - performance art and a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemianism - bohemian aesthetic, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrosion_of_Conformity - Corrosion of Conformity , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Melvins - The Melvins and the recently reformed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunge - grunge band http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundgarden - Soundgarden had a fondness for subverting '70s metal, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_No_More - Faith No More , along with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_Colour - Living Colour , injected http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funk - funk and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_hop_music - hip hop into their brand of alternative metal, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_metal#cite_note-1 - [2] while http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primus_%28band%29 - Primus incorporates an obscure http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Residents - Residents -esque touch. The grunge movement of the early 1990s helped increase the audience for such bands, and these artists were as comfortable playing to alternative rock fans on various http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lollapalooza - Lollapalooza line-ups (itself founded by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janes_Addiction - Jane's Addiction frontman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Farrell - Perry Farrell ) as they were opening for metal bands like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallica - Metallica . With the changing of the musical landscape by the popular breakthrough of alternative rock, "alternative metal" became a new phrase used to describe bands in the early 1990s who managed to make relevant era music that was "heavy without necessarily being metal". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_metal#cite_note-2 - [3] New bands emerged in this era with their distinctive takes on metal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Inch_Nails - Nine Inch Nails and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_%28band%29 - Ministry started the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_music - industrial wave, combining http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punk_rock - punk -influenced http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_music - electronic music and heavy guitars, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_of_a_Down - System of a Down and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool_%28band%29 - Tool immersed themselves in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_rock - progressive rock influences, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rage_Against_the_Machine - Rage Against the Machine was as informed by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hip_hop_music - hip hop and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-punk - post-punk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agitprop - agitprop such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_of_Four_%28band%29 - Gang of Four as it was by metal, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmet_%28band%29 - Helmet molded a background in jazz and noise-rock/post-hardcore influences into a highly influential strand of intense rock music. As the 90s progressed, alternative metal's sound became more standardized as newer bands drew inspiration for the same collective set of influences that included http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rage_Against_the_Machine - Rage Against the Machine , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tool_%28band%29 - Tool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_metal#cite_note-3 - [4] , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korn - Korn , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deftones - Deftones , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_No_More - Faith No More , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_Factory - Fear Factory , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Inch_Nails - Nine Inch Nails , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primus_%28band%29 - Primus and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmet_%28band%29 - Helmet . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korn - Korn , in particular, with its downtuned riffs and aggressive dissonance, created the sonic template for a new movement, which became known as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_metal - nu metal . Many http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-grunge - post-grunge bands like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alter_Bridge - Alter Bridge , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurt_%28band%29 - Hurt , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_Seconds_to_Mars - 30 Seconds to Mars , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papa_Roach - Papa Roach , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoobastank - Hoobastank , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Days_Grace - Three Days Grace , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickelback - Nickelback , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creed_%28band%29 - Creed , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linkin_Park - Linkin Park , and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_Benjamin - Breaking Benjamin are known to be influenced by alternative metal. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2010 at 6:54am
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Wonderful! Now everyone can start suggesting all the most outrageous subgenres, and people - instead of complaining - will be overjoyed, and compete in suggesting even more. Some of the definitions I've seen around the web are nothing short of hilarious, btw.
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Posted By: m@x
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2010 at 6:58am
I just moved SOUNDGARDEN to Traditional Heavy Metal, and added ALICE IN CHAINS in that same subgenre too. Historically, regarding their metal roots, it's a better fit. Also please note that MMA artist genre is ALBUM-BASED. As time goes by, genre of artists will evolve based on re-classification of the albums by admins, collabs. and member suggestion.  |
Posted By: dean
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2010 at 8:24am
Cool  -------------  |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2010 at 9:41am
very much so...  wise move M@X... I think that could be the best way to do it.. and to implement it now.. before the site reaches PA's levels of database masterliness and becomes practically impossible to implement. |
Posted By: FusionKing
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2010 at 3:26pm
Trad. Heavy Metal definately suits Soundgarden and AIC much better, after all, grunge was basically just a fuzzier take on old rock and traditional metal anyhow. That is, unless, you intend to create a grunge section to house such bands later. 
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Posted By: NecronCommander
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 6:38pm
| I don't know... "Traditional Heavy Metal" still doesn't seem to fit Soundgarden/AiC. I almost feel like grunge is closer to alternative metal than it is to heavy metal, though both these artists seem to transcend the simplicity implied by alt. metal. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 6:54pm
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it's a suggestion... one I think the site should seriously consider... you can do it now.... or do it later when traditional heavy metal has balloned into ... hahah.. a unmedicated disaster of a sub with 800+ groups that sound nothing alike.... leading to people spending 6 months ..first fighting for a split... then going through all the groups. |
Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 8:59pm
| I consider 'alt metal' to be stuff like Tool, Faith No More, Helmet, personally. |
Posted By: MrEdifus
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 9:32pm
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Doom and Traditional don't fit Soundgarden or Alice In Chains very well. We MIGHT have to take yet another leaf out of PA's book: Proto-Metal and Metal Related categories, perhaps? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 10:21pm
yeah.... was thinking along those lines myself. |
Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 11:00pm
| What about stuff like System of A Down? For years they were lumped into 'nu metal', but I think they can't really be bracketed into that. I think, with all their Zappa, Primus, and Faith No More influences, they better fit into alternative metal. |
Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 11:10pm
| I started a thread about this in the suggestions board and it didn't get much attention. I think it's a much better tag than "Nu Metal" and allows for bands like Alice In Chains and Soundgarden to fit in as well. |
Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 12:14am
| I've never really liked the tag 'nu metal' either. Alternative metal is a much wider term and can cover everything from Soundgarden to Tool to Linkin Park. |
Posted By: dean
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 2:09am
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Just because you don't like the Nu Metal tag doesn't mean you can change it to something you do like. Unlike so many after-the-event tags, Nu Metal actually existed as a subgenre of Metal, the bands were happy to be called that and gladly jumped on the bandwagon to fame using it. If you want "Alt Metal" then petition for the creation of a new subgenre and leave the Nu Metal bands like Coal Chamber, Korn and Papa Roach out of it ------------- |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 4:30pm
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^ my two cents Alternative metal does not really compare, at least in my books, with Nu Metal. I see no great relation between e.g. Tool, early Soundgarden and Alice in Chains with Korn, Linkin Park etc. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 8:32pm
absolutely NONE at all.... who would confuse the two. |
Posted By: The T 666
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 8:38pm
| One tag can include the other... I would opt for the "alternative" tag instead of the "nu" one because it is a bigger umbrella... |
Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2010 at 1:13am
I wouldn't argue that it doesn't exist, but if anything it's a subcategory of Alternative Metal. It could be it's own genre, but then so could Depressive Black Metal, Symphonic Black Metal, Atmospheric Black Metal, etc. But, as with Black Metal, I think it would be best to have just one subgenre and then mention the other in the genre description or something. Either way, I still think it's odd to have a Nu Metal subgenre and not have an Alternative Metal one, when the latter is the much more prominent one. |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: 31 Mar 2010 at 10:02pm
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Really? Nobody sees any alternative elements in Nu metal? To my ears most nu metal sounds like heavy alternative music anyways.
When I think of alternative rock, I have a tendency to think of adolescents who just learned to piece together chords into a song. However general that may be, the likes of Slipknot and Korn sound like this. ------------- Lost respect for these archives when I saw Creed added, among other bands. Not going to be foruming here anymore. You can keep my reviews if you want. |
Posted By: Citizen Erased
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 11:37am
| As long as crap like Papa Roach doesn't crawl onto this site, Alternative Metal is a good sub-genre to have. |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 11:50am
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Papa Roach is already in there. Like Glam Metal, these are bands people like and some hate. Our job is not to judge on taste (except in our reviews) but on whether the music is metal or primarily metal based.
I saw Papa Roach open for Motley Crue and though I expected it to stink, they put on a good show. Buckcherry, who I expected to rock, were lame.
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Posted By: Citizen Erased
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 11:52am
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Fair enough. I'll keep my trap shut there. I just dislike Papa Roach with a burning passion :p |
Posted By: Balthamel
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 12:00pm
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Kyuss as alternative metal, yes I know their Stoner metal, but i think they are a good inclusion for the alternative metal section just for so long their is no Stoner metal section. I believe they are 100 % metal but to which the fit best i not sure |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 12:14pm
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I don't think Papa Roach are metal. They are angsty alternative rock with distorted guitars.
Just because it sounds angry and has distorted guitars doesn't mean it's metal. ------------- Lost respect for these archives when I saw Creed added, among other bands. Not going to be foruming here anymore. You can keep my reviews if you want. |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 12:15pm
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^yeah, it could be punk.
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 12:21pm
| While I wasn't the one who chose Papa Roach, I think the arpeggiated guitars and tone on their signature "Last Resort" are pretty undeniably metal of some kind. |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 12:29pm
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^To be honest, I really think they sound like generic alternative melodies. I know what you're talking about. Besides, the rest of that song is pretty standard whiney alternative. ------------- Lost respect for these archives when I saw Creed added, among other bands. Not going to be foruming here anymore. You can keep my reviews if you want. |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 12:33pm
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To be clear, I've never owned a Papa Roach album in my life. And if a decision was made to remove them, I don't think it would hurt the site. I'm still trying to decide what my line is. mailto:M@X - M@X made a reasonable guideline, and as nu-metal is pretty consistently their main tag, I think they make the cut. I think they slip inside the line as my gut tells me as well. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 5:07pm
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So basically : alternative metal = grunge (Soundgarden, AiC, Nirvana) + noise rock (Helmet, Sonic Youth) + alternative rock (Smashing Pumpkins, Jane's Addicion) + groove metal (King's X) + funk metal (FFF, fishbone, living colour, infectious grooves) I think that makes sense to have all these bands under one flag... |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 5:36pm
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Well not exactly: some of the sub-genres are pretty clear Nu-metal (though this blends into some straight modern rock)
Funk-metal (again blends into funk rock)
Groove Metal
But we're actually excluding most alternative and grunge
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 7:45pm
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^The thing is there are bands here that I'd really consider alternative anyways. When I see "Alternative Metal" I just think alternative music with more distorted guitars and maybe some harsh vocals, with very little if any actual metal in it compositionally. Anyways Negoba, would you mind linking me to those guidelines that mailto:M@X - M@X set up. Unless they're the descriptions of the subgenres I'm not sure where to look.  ------------- Lost respect for these archives when I saw Creed added, among other bands. Not going to be foruming here anymore. You can keep my reviews if you want. |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2010 at 4:13am
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I think of alternative metal as metal or metallish music which just doesn't fit into any of the established metal genres. Sometimes, a subgenre may be formed on the bases of common traits among artists which are otherwise considered alternative metal. I certainly consider it a viable genre on these pages. ------------- 
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Posted By: coorpz
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2010 at 1:11pm
| Who cares. Music is music. Arguing over music genres is pointless, nobody will win. That said, genres are just tags people apply to them arbitrarily. On my iPod, I named every artists genre as "Subjective". |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2010 at 4:51am
I agree very much with this
 , especially with RHCP and RATM in the same category Don't care how it's called - as long as it makes sense and represent this lump of bands ------------- my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones.... 
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2010 at 5:43am
I agree 100%, and I have more or less given up on the myriad of genres and subgenres that reign in the contemporary music world. But the fact that we do operate with genres based on perceived commonalities does reflect our human need to categorize everything. The interesting thing about alternative metal as a genre is that there are not that many commonalities. It's more like the trashcan, or the adverbial, of metal - a category where we place artists that we cannot fit into other genres. But, again, I totally agree with you. -------------
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2010 at 6:27am
| I basically agree that some people (or make it many) are obsessed with categorization, and often end up not seeing the forest for the trees. However, let's remember that categorization is necessary as a reference when the amount of material available is quite vast. No one would ever conceive of a library without any form of categorization - finding books would become impossible. |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2010 at 4:03pm
Not just that - cognitive scientists have shown that categorization is a very basic human cognitive process. I wonder what they could learm from the study of metal subgenres ;-) -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2010 at 5:42pm
they'd find that the study of metal subgenres is undergraduate work...kid stuff... the real stuff... the PhD work is in the field of prog rock categorization. |
Posted By: mosefus
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2010 at 2:35pm
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I guess a band like Katatonia would qualify as alternative metal. Though their earlier work was very definitely doom death, their latest offerings are really tough to categorise, so alternative seems a good fit. I'm thinking of Viva Emptiness onwards, here, incidentally. You can also throw Madder mortem in there, too, with the strangely wailed yet oddly hypnotic vocal style. ------------- http://www.smellthecult.com http://www.smellthecult.blogspot.com Keep it metal and ye shall be wise |
Posted By: coorpz
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2010 at 11:36pm
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I've been fine just calling music...music! Sometimes I'll say, "thats f**king kick-ass, thats what it is" or "heavy pseudo intellectual bullsh*t obvious technical wakery". It gets the point across. And I don't have to explain anything. It's like some people can just slap around terms and sound cool for knowing and applying them. IMO genre is just a disease, no music needs classification if you don't want it to. Word of mouth or descriptors is just better, but it's all subjective anyway. Trying to look objective by tagging something with a genre is an antithesis in and of itself. Person 1 - "DUDE. Did you hear that band 'Philosophical Nothingness'? It's liek....New Wave Tech-Death Progcore, man!" Person 2 - "Dude, stfu with yr generz." |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2010 at 7:52am
Books are books all the same, but try to suggest abolishing classification in libraries, and see what happens. I agree with you that some people take things too far with the whole genre thing, but you should also remember that most people need to be guided, particularly when they are not familiar with something. Anyway, calling genre a 'disease' is a bit too harsh, especially on a site that uses this kind of classification. |
Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2010 at 8:08am
You ain't kidding!
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Posted By: coorpz
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2010 at 10:01am
| Well, it is for people who live by it/abuse it. |
Posted By: Beekeeper
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2010 at 10:54am
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Alt metal seems like a fairly flimsy descriptor. I see genres as primarily a means of distinguishing artists and categorising similar artists for the sake of exploring and understanding music but 'alt metal' - does it really correspond to anything concrete? I mean I know all genres are abstract concepts with subjective definitions but this one just seems a lot less obvious than the instantly recognisable thrash or power metal genres for example. Slight tangent: I would really like a stoner metal subgenre at some point in the future. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2010 at 2:30pm
Alternative metal is a definition used by other sites too. As you may have noticed, most of the genre definitions are shared by most metal sites (just like the majority of those at PA are). This does not mean we cannot improve upon those definitions, but we need viable suggestions. Personally, being familiar with a good deal of the bands included in that particular subgenre, I think 'alt metal' is a very fitting description, therefore don't feel the need to change it. This does not mean I'm right, as you pointed out... However, I am all too aware that finding the perfect definition (unless it is an old, already established one, like 'thrash' or 'power' metal) is far from easy, and that an imperfect definition is better than none. |
Posted By: Beekeeper
Date Posted: 10 Apr 2010 at 11:17pm
Yeah very true, better to have it than to not have it. Don't get me started on PA genres though, Heavy/Crossover/Eclectic prog etc. |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2010 at 3:24pm
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I realised that Sepultura are under Alt metal - blasphemy? Honestly, I see them in the thrash metal category - they were just groovier than similar bands of the genre... |
Posted By: Beekeeper
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2010 at 11:14pm
Yeah they were definitely thrash if not death pre-chaos AD. |
Posted By: Phonebook Eater
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2010 at 1:43pm
| Alternative metal is a mix between the 80s alt rock(R.E.M., Smiths) and heavy metal. Some times, it can also be mixed with hip hop elements (this genre is known as Nu Metal) |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2010 at 3:25am
I hope you also realize that half their output is under Thrash and some even Death  That's the beauty of the tagging individual albums thingy.------------- http://iamthreepeople.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow"> <- Click on this!
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: 20 May 2010 at 3:49pm
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In my opinion, 'Nu Metal' was never really a true genre. Ir was more of a trend/fad/era that lasted for a decade or two then died off. Bands that were considered part of that particular style continued on even after that definition was no longer being used, and their sound has evolved and changed like any other band that you might consider 'Alternative'. Why not include them?
Sorry, just now got here, so if I came in late or am stating reduntant info, I apologize. |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 5:08am
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Hi J >LOcke
what are we doing here LOL
Yeah Genres are for the other bands - metal is metal is metal - genres are irrelevant -------------  GLAM METAL!
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: 21 May 2010 at 3:36pm
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^ I'm not sure. What ARE we doing here? This really shows people how little life I actually have. *slinkers away* I hope you'll forgive my little semi-rant I go on in the God thread; nothing personal meant by it, really. I just get a little hot under the collar. That's why when I get upset, i listen to METAL!!!  Nu, Alternative, or otherwise, haha.
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Posted By: Phonebook Eater
Date Posted: 26 May 2010 at 7:30am
What's wrong with alt rock? In the 80's and even 90's it was such an interesting genre. ------------- 
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Posted By: Silver Shade of Lead
Date Posted: 30 May 2010 at 7:25am
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I feel a Nu-Metal subgenre wouldn't be an exercise in extreme categorization. Nevertheless, it could find inclusion as sub-genre in the Alternative Metal category, much to the likes of NWoBHM in Traditional Heavy Metal. The bands that fit in such sub-genre share elements present in the overall sound of Alt Metal, yet it seems that Faith No More, or early Tool is on a completely different range than, say, Limp Bizkit (and it's not just because they'd mop the floor with the latter). True that intense categorization leads to an overbearing w**kery of labels, but I find this case would lead to structural benefit, since Nu-Metal is a pretty specific wave, in which its fans would enjoy to find discriminated among the existent categories to further enrich their own database and discover new tastes. In addition, the opposite can also be accountable, if one is looking for Alternative Metal, but wishes to exclude the Nu-Metal sub-genre from his/her findings. It's just a thought I don't think would strike as nitpicking or extremely difficult to perform. |
Posted By: The Angry Scotsman
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2010 at 2:41am
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Alternative Metal. It certainly does exist. What exactly qualifies it...I'm not sure It is a bit of a dumping ground, but I actually like this sites definition for it. Not my favorite sub genre, but I do like it. Of course SoaD my all time favorite band is Alt Metal! I am not a fan of "nu metal" at all though  ------------- Megadeth, Metallica, Slayer and Testament. The real Big Four of thrash metal! Listen to doom metal, worship Satan |
Posted By: Pelata
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2011 at 7:49am
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I'm rather late in this discussion, but some bands I would call "Alternative Metal" that I listen to would include:
Faith No More
Alice In Chains (probably the least "alternative" of the bunch...)
Soundgarden
Saigon Kick (definitely NOT a "hair band")
King's X
Galactic Cowboys
The Awful Truth
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Posted By: Kingcrimsonprog
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2011 at 9:16am
I hugely agree. And I think I may have said it already (if so forgive repeating, I just have poor memory I'm not hammering home anything) the same would do well for Groove and Stoner Metal, since they are so different than the genres to which they are a sub. -------------  My Blog: http://kingcrimsonprog.wordpress.com/ |
Posted By: Balthamel
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2012 at 10:41am
 best Nu metal band their ever was ------------- 
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Posted By: Diogenes
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2012 at 11:23am
I could agree with that, although I think they've evolved to a point where they're no longer nu-metal. |
Posted By: Tupan
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2012 at 11:54am
| ^Or maybe they are pushing the boundaries of the genre, adding sludge and prog elements to the sound. |
Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2014 at 8:35pm
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I've noticed that most of the metal that I like these days is alternative metal, like Crossfade, Finger Eleven, and Breaking Benjamin. Really great music.
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