Most Important Albums Suggestions
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Topic: Most Important Albums Suggestions
Posted By: Kingcrimsonprog
Subject: Most Important Albums Suggestions
Date Posted: 21 May 2013 at 9:24am
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I'm trying to make that list of most-important-albums-to-metal I keep banging on about up to a full 1000 now. I've currently got 765 Meaning there's room for 235 more albums, to make it a full 1000. So far it is: The Rock Music That Got Us To Metal - 18% The Punk Music That Got Us To Metal -11% The Alternative Music That Changed Metal - 2% The Different Types Of Metal - 69% Hopefully by the time that its 1000, the actually-Metal percentage would be higher, like 75% ideally. Anybody got suggestions for MUST HEAR sorts of Metal albums that aren't on it? Especially Sludge, Power Metal and True-Black Metal albums. Also especially early sort of True-Metal albums. Unarguable Heavy Metal records from around the NWOBHM and Thrash time. The list is a bit unbalanced at the minute, you see. Here is a breakdown of what I got so far (1ST Number is how many of each of that genre there are, 2nd Number is the running-total): 20 = Pre-Metal 20 15 = Psychadelic 35 39 = Prog 76 23 = Rock 99 8 = Southern 107 28 = Hard Rock/Earliest Metal 135 37 = Glam-Hair 172 42 = NWOBHM etc. 214 43 = Thrash 257 9 = Groove 266 48 = Death Metal 314 21 = Grind 331 38 = Black Metal Spectrum 369 16 = Folk Metal 385 9 = Symphonic Metal 394 18 = Power Metal 416 55 = Prog Metal Spectrum 471 10 = Funk Metal 481 18 = Industrial Metal 499 43 = Nu Metal Spectrum 542 6 = Southern Metal 548 12 = Grunge 560 7 = Other Alternative 567 80 = Punk/Hardcore/Crossover 647 46 = Stoner/Doom/Drone/Sludge 693 36 = Modern Metalcore/Deathcore 724 31 = Mathcore/Djent 755 10 = Critical Failures 765 Any help would be much appreciated. Also I'm totally up for adding a thanks-list with weblinks to your personal blog if you want it. Oh yeah, and here's the list again: http://kingcrimsonprog.wordpress.com/2012/05/11/list-of-albums-that-you-need-to-have-heard-to-have-a-full-and-comprehensive-understanding-of-metal-music/ -------------  My Blog: http://kingcrimsonprog.wordpress.com/ |
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Posted By: Vic
Date Posted: 21 May 2013 at 11:26am
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I was scrolling through your list and bumped into the Slayer albums. You are missing two very important pieces there, their first two albums, which have influenced and marked the whole of every extreme music (esp. Hell Awaits is ridiculously important). If Testament has two albums listed, I would argue it would have to be The Legacy and The Gathering. The latter also marks the old school thrash metal revival, the aweakening of the beast sort to speak, that is the first monumental thrash metal album in the new era. Also provided a blueprint. I was very surprised to see Walls of Jericho missing, monumental and highly influential. It essentially sums up the entire German scene of the mid-80s, balancing between speed, power and thrash. Likewise, I was surprised to see Under Jolly Roger, which although it contains the s/t hymn and is largely considered the start of the piracy years, it's not their best album, not by a longshot. I would sincerely suggest you include Port Royal, if you have to have only one album but I would also say that a proper list should at the very least include Death or Glory. Helloween/Running Wild and Rage are the exact equivalent of Kreator/Sodom/Destruction for speed/power metal. You are missing Metal Church's debut, which is extremely iconic and also a masterpiece. Ah, and looking at your power metal list, I have extreme reservations. Two Savatage albums only? You can't ignore Sirens or Gutter Ballet and include some Finnish symphonic band that influenced nobody. Same thing for Vicious Rumors, at least get Digital Dictator somewhere in there. My favorite Blind Guardian IS Somewhere Far Beyond but if you include just one album, it has to be Imaginations. But I would also include Nightfall... Stratovarius should be covered by Dreamspace and one of the following (Fourth Dimension, Episode, Visions). It's wrong to ignore the first three Gamma Ray albums, especially Heading for Tomorrow and Insanity and Genius. No World Order is certainly nice but nothing special in the history of metal. At all. You are missing Holy Land by Angra. You have Kings of Metal there. Fine album but it's inexcusable to take precedence over Into Glory Ride or Sign of the Hammer, which are by far their most important and influential albums along with Hail to England. Twilight in Olympus is definitely not the album I would choose to represent Symphony X, I'd start with Divine Wings, then Paradise Lost or V. Similarly, having A Dramatic Turn of Events in the list and NOT Awake is just WRONG man! :) You need Snot - Get Some in the groove metal stuff. One of the best and most well-known albums in the genre. Ah, I think I am not helping much, I keep looking at the list and I have extreme objections that could take all day. I think this list more or less represents your taste and not the most important albums (Hear in the New Frontier? Really? And no Empire or Promised Land or the EP? - Just no man!). Anyway, I'll stop here because I don't have the time and I think you don't need some random dude telling you off about your choices! :P Oh, but you should remove Chinese Democracy from the last list there. That album got negative feedback for everything else except for the music (which happens to be awesome): Because it bore the name Guns n Roses on the cover (no slash, no Guns, the people have spoken), because it took forever to be released and even dark Side of the moon could not live up to the expectations and because everyone hates Axl. You could add Pink bubbles go Ape or even better Chameleon. Endorama by Kreator. Diabolus in Musica by Slayer. ------------- 42 |
Posted By: Kingcrimsonprog
Date Posted: 21 May 2013 at 2:13pm
Ooooh. Brilliant feedback. Cheers. ------------- My Blog: http://kingcrimsonprog.wordpress.com/ |
Vic wrote:Posted By: Kingcrimsonprog
Date Posted: 21 May 2013 at 3:29pm
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Cool, I think that's them all added now. My browser crashed halfway through and I had to do it twice  .Ok. As it stands now: 20 = Pre-Metal 20 36 = Modern Metalcore/Deathcore 765 31 = Mathcore/Djent 79510 = Critical Failures 805 Still shy on Black, Sludge and Post Metal. ------------- My Blog: http://kingcrimsonprog.wordpress.com/ |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 21 May 2013 at 4:49pm
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Some more suggestions for the hardcore/crossover section: I would probably add Nuclear Assault's "Handle With Care", since many people consider it one of the best thrash metal albums ever. I'd probably also add some Pro-Pain, but not sure which album it would be. I'd also suggest Wehrmacht's "Shark Attack" because it's somewhat of a cult release. another suggestion is The Kandidate's "Facing the Imminent Prospect of Death" as an example of a more recent crossover release which combines crust/hardcore, death and thrash. For another (probably more important) crust band, check out Hellbastard... they should probably also be on the list. Oh, and Extreme Noise Terror's "Holocaust in your Head" should defintiely be on the list - it's an important link between crust punk and grindcore. Some black metal suggestions I think that Celtic Frost's "Morbid Tales" should be on the list too, being an important link between crust, thrash and black metal. Although many black metal purists hate it, I think that Dimmu Borgir's "Abrahadabra" is an important contribution to symphonic black metal as is Carach Angren's "Where Corpses Sink Forever". The Secret (a former metalcore band) released an album last year called "Agnus Dei" which is a good example of modern crust/black metal, and Nadiwrath's "Nihilistic Stench" is perhaps obscure, but another good example of the more punky side of black metal. Oh, and perhaps you should include some releases from Havohej and Profanatica too. And some traditional heavy metal: Brats' "1980" is quite important I think: Brats was a punk band that would eventually evolve into Mercyful Fate, and "1980" captures them in the middle of that transition. Stormwitch's "Beauty and the Beast" should also be included because it features the awesome track 'Tigers of the Sea' ;-) I'm also thinking that perhaps you should include some gothic rock / deathrock like Joy Division or Sisters of Mercy or Christian Death. They're obviously not metal, but it seems that the major death-doom acts of the 90s were very influenced by goth rock / deathrock. ------------- 
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 21 May 2013 at 4:51pm
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Oh, and a new critical failure: Tater�che's "Frequency Unknown" ;-)
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Posted By: Kingcrimsonprog
Date Posted: 21 May 2013 at 6:55pm
Wow. I'm a giant Nuclear Assault fan, and I've heard of music by Dimmu and Celctic Frost, but other than that I haven't heard of any of that. (Well I read the name "Extreme Noise Terror" in Napalm Death linear notes, but that hardly counts lol) I'll check it out, see if it fits. Cheers. ------------- My Blog: http://kingcrimsonprog.wordpress.com/ |
Posted By: Kingcrimsonprog
Date Posted: 21 May 2013 at 7:01pm
Aha. I had considered that actually.  ------------- My Blog: http://kingcrimsonprog.wordpress.com/ |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 22 May 2013 at 5:36pm
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Some more suggestions: Doom metal I would suggest Count Raven's "Storm Warning" - it may not be as revered as anything by Candlemass or as Count Raven's own subsequent releases, but it's their most original sounding album because it features Christian Linderson on vocals; it is also very dense and compact, breaking from the Swedish-epic-doom-metal stereotype. I also think that Solitude Aeturnus' "Beyond the Crimson Horizon" should be on the list because it is really the epitome of epic doom metal. Warning's "Watching from a Distance" should probably also be on the list - it's more of a cult release, but it is a very fine example of traditional doom metal being really depressive and expressive... it's also one of my favorite doom metal albums of all time. I totally agree with your inclusion of the two My Dying Bride albums, but I would probably also include their debut "As the Flower Withers" for its groundbreaking originality. St. Vitus' "Born Too Late" should probably also be on the list because, well, it's "Born Too Late" ;-) Death metal: Bolt Thrower's "The IVth Crusade" should probably also be on the list as it is their most 'anthemic' release. Obscura's "Cosmogenesis" should probably also be on the list as an example of tech death, while Necrophagia's "Deathtrip 69" could be a good example of contemporary old school death metal. Alternative/rap/etc.: I would definitely include Clawfinger's "Deaf Dumb Blind" and "Use Your Brain" - like the first RATM release, these came out before Nu Metal and presented a much more aggressive and minimalistic approach to blending rap and metal. This also goes for Senser's "Stacked Up" and H-Blockx's "Time to Move". While very obcure, I also think that Geronimo's "Peace to the Chief" should be on the list as an example of a rap-metal combination which does not fall into the Nu Metal stereotype (these guys essentially took midpaced thrash and put rap vocals on top). For a Japanese take on alternative metal, perhaps you could include Maximum the Hormone's 2007 album and the "Tsume Tsume Tsume" maxi from 2008 and the "Greatest the Hits" maxi from 2001 (which is not a greatest hits album). Thrash metal: I would also add Invocator's "Excursion demise" (death thrash), "Weave the Apocalypse" (tech/prog thrash), and "Dying to Live" (tech/prog groove/thrash). I also think you should add both Realm albums for their originality and progressiveness/technicality. Progressive metal: Both Watchtower albums should definitely be included - they're legendary and groundbreaking. For a Japanese entry, you could add Vigilante's "Edge of Time". As for sludge and post-metal, I can't really help you that much... but perhaps Early Cross' latest album would be suitable for post-metal? -------------
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Posted By: Murder1000Deaths
Date Posted: 22 May 2013 at 11:25pm
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Progressive metal: you definitely need to add in Opeth. I'd definitely say Still Life and Blackwater Park. You could also possibly add Orcihd or My Arms, Your Hearse in the death metal section. Otherwise, spectacular list! ------------- Metal isn't always an outlet for anger. It is also majestic, and beautiful. |
Posted By: Kingcrimsonprog
Date Posted: 23 May 2013 at 2:05pm
There's about 6 Opeth albums on it lol ------------- My Blog: http://kingcrimsonprog.wordpress.com/ |
Posted By: Murder1000Deaths
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 8:17pm
I CTRL+F'd it, didn't find any... guess I'll check again. I do just kind of skim after all haha ------------- Metal isn't always an outlet for anger. It is also majestic, and beautiful. |