ZYWIOLAK for Folk-Metal?
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Topic: ZYWIOLAK for Folk-Metal?
Posted By: Tuzvihar
Subject: ZYWIOLAK for Folk-Metal?
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2010 at 8:24am
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ŻYWIOŁAK are a Polish band who should find their place here IMO. They are usually described as pagan folk-metal. Official website: http://www.zywiolak.pl - http://www.zywiolak.pl . Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/zywiolak - http://www.myspace.com/zywiolak . PA entry: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=4579 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=4579 . I've got their album, Nowa Ex-Tradycja, and can provide it if needed. Best regards, Bartek ------------- 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2010 at 8:41am
Thanks, Bartek! I hope someone sees this and takes the band under their wing, so to speak .
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 8:55am
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I'll check them out ... since the Folk Metal team is very inactive these days.
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 9:18am
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I don't think any of their MySpace tracks sound like metal to me. Better wait for the folk metal team to return from whatever they're doing to check this out. -------------
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 9:50am
| Is there still a Folk-Metal team here? If this is not the case, before we find some replacements (or additional members), we should probably rely on the judgment of those like Kim, who are willing to listen and evaluate any material at our disposal. |
Posted By: Vehemency
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2010 at 10:29am
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I guess there's no proper folk metal team, yeah. And I agree about that
any collab can freely take a listen and judge (if there's no
disagreements from anyone else). I haven't listened to the band, but once again I provide my statistics if they are of any use: - the band is in Metal Archives ("psychedelic folk metal") - the most popular tag in last.fm is "folk", then "folk metal" Off-topic: I was planning that after I'm done with checking all the black metal profiles I will browse all the folk metal ones. |
Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2010 at 1:50pm
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As I said, I've got their full album at my disposal. If you think the myspace tracks aren't sufficient I will gladly upload it for you. Maybe it'll be more convincing. Just tell me who I am supposed to send it to. I do believe they should find a place here.  -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2010 at 5:18pm
| have often noticed ..after years doing it at PA's that you should never judge a band by the myspace tracks. They often are not reflective of a groups sound.. and our very often geared to being friendly on the ears.. or in some cases.. putting out a wide net to draw listeners in... ie.. highlighting more mainstream aspects of their sound. What is myspace anyway.. it's advertising.. first rule in advertising... get them interested.. then hit them with the real product. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2010 at 5:24pm
| in my humble two cents... in the absence of a team.. and remembering this is a site in the infant stages. I nominate Scott to be the judge. Tuz.. upload the album and send it to Scott.. if he thinks it belongs here. We'll add it. If Scott declines... I'll be the judge, jury, and executioner. |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2010 at 5:48pm
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There was Judge Dredd... now there's Judge Micky ;-) -------------
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Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2010 at 1:07pm
Ok. But... who is Scott?  -------------
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micky wrote:Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2010 at 6:10pm
Rushfan.. you know.. from PA's haha. Anyhow.. just send it to me and I'll screen it. You have me curious 
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Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2010 at 4:04pm
Oh, I thought you meant someone else. I didn't recall Rushfan liking metal. Anyhow... just ripping the album to my computer. And check this: -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2010 at 5:56pm
downloading now... and Scott? Hah.. how do you think has been the Judas Priest champion over at PA's Scott is metal FIEND! Yet another reason why I love the guy. Proggers bore me... I like people with broad horizons and tastes in music   |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2010 at 6:20pm
Welcome to the club. Recently I expanded my musical horizon to reggae (that's the 20th or so musical genre I embrace, but not your usual Bobness, the obscure guys like the excellent keyboardist Jackie Mittoo or the even more obscure Cornell Campbell). yes, proggers are boring. Always trying to convince themselves that their music is the best (which is very far from being true) and even wanting to prove anyone else that other musical genres should be regarded as prog (Helloween, Stevie Wonder (!!!), Judas Priest, William Sheller). Why don't they call a cat a cat : Stevie Wonder = black music, Helloween = power metal, Judas Priest = heavy metal, William Sheller = chanson fran�aise... ------------- Dorosłe dzieci mają żal, za kiepski przepis na ten świat. |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2010 at 3:14am
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Well, true proggers should have broad horizons and tastes in music, given that prog itself is genre-defying, so I guess that the prog-elitists are not true proggers ;-) -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2010 at 7:20am
proggers can actually be of some the most close-minded of musical listeners. and that is an urban myth.. . prog has BECOME a genre all it's own.. no different from punk, country or reggae. We all know it. Prog today is often progby the numbers. Insert song length... some degree of complexity.. and some fruity lyrics and voila.. you have prog. The great stuff is the stuff that avoids the typical prog convention.. and is.. err.. progressive in it's approach to music. However by doing do... some then can't see it as prog since it lacks.... |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2010 at 7:22am
| anyhow.. back on topic. Listening to this gem of an album this morning. Really liking what I'm hearing. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2010 at 7:47am
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hmmm.... going to listen to this a few more times before offering up an opinion. To be bluntly honest... my first thought was a no for addition. You sure weren't bowled over by what you think of as 'metal'. However while listening, I read up on the group a bit and sort of got an understanding of what they are trying to do. Sort of goes back to what I posted earlier about prog by the numbers. Does it have to be complex and have 'whizling synths' ( � Raffaella 2006 ) to be prog. Does it have to be guitar based to be metal.Looks like I'm hitting the books to learn about folk-metal. I'll be back to this group after some more reading and listening (including some other groups it appears). Completely enjoyed the music though, whether 'metal' or not. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2010 at 8:21am
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Since we happen to share the same living quarters , I listened to the album too. Excellent stuff, with the more folk-based parts reminding me of folk music from some areas of Italy. However, I didn't really detect a lot of metal in their compositions, except for one track that was patently riff-based. On the other hand, unlike other metal subgenres, folk-metal does not seem to be as cut-and-dried, and I believe we could do worse than let these guys in. Very interesting music indeed, and an incentive to explore the subgenre further.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2010 at 9:15am
couldn't agree more |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2010 at 1:56pm
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I liked them too (well the tracks on MySpace), a lot, but it is not metal to my ears. I wouldn't protest if someone decided to include them though.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2010 at 5:53pm
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2010 at 6:27pm
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As I said, no protests from me if they're added
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2010 at 6:32pm
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Kim, that's the kind of attitude everyone should have... Such a change from the never-ending 'what are X doing on here?' at PA.
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2010 at 6:38pm
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They actually remind me a little bit of a German medieval folk band called Tabula Rasa (but I think maybe they use similar percussion techniques (which in turn, first time I heard Tabula Rasa, remind me of rock music)).
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2010 at 6:50pm
| actually the first thing I thought of... was Jacula. See metal for me is more than 'geetar'. It is a heaviness, a darkness (though perhaps w/o the occult overtones) which immediately made me thing of Jacula. Just without a dominant guitar in the sound, which is something of course Jacula had which is why some think of them as metal.. or a proto-metal if you look at the dateline. |
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2010 at 7:33am
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Okay... I'm more conservative, I guess, since metal for me needs guitars, bass and drums to be metal :-) And I thought I was the most liberal person om MMA ;-) -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2010 at 10:39am
I took that chair when I moved in around here. It's not difficult to surmise how I feel about evaluating bands; as my own proclivities are, uh, well-known and, uh, often-lamented facts of PA's lore. god I love Con Air.. that movie had great quotes coming from it's ears. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2010 at 10:56am
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In all seriousness....I've always been an open-tenter. Always thought the site was for the users, not the collabs, and if people think it is metal. I always thought it was our job to maintain a database, not be judge, jury, and executioner of popular tastes and standards. Granted metal is not as.. open-ended as prog is, but still. We saw early on with this site, there is still not iron-clad notion of what is metal and what is not. I didn't agree with some additions, but you know what... who cares! Others thought they were so what is the harm in adding them. Anyhow... I'm going to add them unless someone strongly disagrees. With such a interesting mixture of metal and folk inherent in folk-metal.. there will obviously be various degress of 'metal' in it. This one might be on the lower scale of it, but that shouldn't preclude it from being listed on a site devoted to cataloging it. I'll wait a week and see if any of the collabs here have a real problem with it. If any do.. we'll talk it out and come to good solution. |
Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2010 at 11:10am
 Cheers Micky! -------------
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2010 at 11:14am
| And remember that here - unlike on PA - we can delete an entry very easily. This band have only released an album so far. If their next is even less metal than this one, then we can think about removing them from the DB. However, if even the ultra-purist Encyclopedia Metallum has them, I don't believe adding them is going to do us any harm. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2010 at 6:36pm
 hahaha
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2010 at 9:23am
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going once.. going twice if no objections.. going to add ... |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2010 at 9:36am
| tried to add.. but got a 'generic page error' upon submitting the group. Not sure what that is about |
Posted By: Vehemency
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2010 at 9:54am
| It is probably due to the special characters in the band name. I'm sure graphix / m@x will fix it. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2010 at 10:08am
| thanks!. I see I have two failed additions that show on the main page. If they could delete both of them.. I'll try it again without the special characters and see if that does the trick! |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2010 at 2:00pm
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thanks to whoever cleaned my additions mess hahah. Zywiolak added.. and Tuz... feel free to edit as you see fit. http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/zywiolak.aspx - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/zywiolak.aspx |