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Topic: King Diamond appreciation threadPosted By: Tuzvihar
Subject: King Diamond appreciation thread
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2010 at 2:10pm
Hey, I saw the Metallica Appreciation Thread and I thought: why not?! King deserves his own thread too!
I met him/his music thanks to my ex-girlfriend (yes ex-girlfriend!) a loooong time ago. So far I've got three albums of His Majesty: Abigail, Them and Conspiracy. All of them are great! What else would you recommend?
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Replies: Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2010 at 2:19pm
King has several quality albums. The only one that I would say I was disappointed with was Give Me Your Soul Please. Overall, his output has been consistently good as a whole.
With the ones you mentioned, one of my favorites is The Puppet Master.
Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2010 at 3:13pm
I quite like "Give Me Your Soul ... Please". "The Puppet Master" is a favorite of mine, too.
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Posted By: LittleBig
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2010 at 11:33am
Tuzvihar wrote:
Hey, I saw the Metallica Appreciation Thread and I thought: why not?! King deserves his own thread too!
I met him/his music thanks to my ex-girlfriend (yes ex-girlfriend!) a loooong time ago. So far I've got three albums of His Majesty: Abigail, Them and Conspiracy. All of them are great! What else would you recommend?
well, you've got his best work already, whatever came after those three albums follow the same pattern.
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2011 at 2:00am
I know it�s been a while since the last post. Actually about a year, but a thread about King Diamond should definitely have more posts than this one before the discussion closes.
I�ve followed King Diamond (and Mercyful Fate) since the late eighties. I wasn�t very old when I found "Abigail" and "Them" on my local library and loaned the vinyls. Those albums scared the shit out of me, and while it would be a couple of years before I was fully able to understand and appreciate King Diamond, those library loans laid the groundwork for me being the fan I am today.
Now I�m probably a bit conservative, but the first five albums stand as something really special in my book and while I don�t think King Diamond has yet released a bad album, none of the albums released after "The Eye" have impressed me in the same way as the early albums. Most are above standard business as usual to me. The thrashy edge that some of the eighties albums contained (especially "Them") is not as dominant as it used to be and I think that�s one of the things I miss the most on later Kind Diamond albums. Those killer riffs have become a bit more restrained.
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Posted By: Vic
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2011 at 10:21am
I'm with UMUR. I am a HUGE King Diamond fan, "Them" is among my top 3 favourite albums ever.
To answer your question, you need Fatal Portrait, the amazing debut, with such gems such as Dressed in White, which features Andy LaRocque's amazing licks except for the usual godly vocal lines by the King. A power metal masterpiece. Also, Halloween, a heavy metal masterpiece this time (the album is basically an equal dose of heavy/power metal), this is probably the most known song off the album. But every song rules, I'll just mention the opener The Candle, with the beautiful intro and the dark melodies of King's voice stealing the show. The overall sound can be described as a rawer (and perhaps darker) Abigail.
The other album you need is The Eye. This has a rather thinner sound in the production than the usual, warm, analog sound he had before but it still delivers razor sharp guitar work. If I could find a falw it would be the use of the drum machine. Mikkey Dee had left to join Dokken (of all bands!) after the recording of Conspiracy and he was replaced with Snowy Shaw. He is a magnificent drummer but Roadrunner Records made huge budget cuts to King Diamond on this album. But he did program the drum machine masterfully, you can get the idea of his playing.
A great album as well, The Eye's best tracks include Eye of the Witch and Behind These Walls, both masterpieces, classic KD brilliance.
It was bad news for Kind Diamond after this record. While the band was for quite sometime the label's strongest prioroty and highest seller, the rise of thrash and particularly the success of Sepultura and Annihilator, made KD a lower priority, lower budgets and to top it off, there was no supporting tour for the album (hence there is only one t-shirt from that era btw).
After that album, things went downhill for a number of reasons. First, Pete Blakk, who was a great guitarist left to form his own horror concept band, Totem. Which did not do well. Snowy Shaw was transfered to the Mercyful Fate reunion band, in 1993. Not that he played on that album either, still a drum machine, although a less obvious one.
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To hear Snowy Shaw's amazing drumming, I highly recommend Memento Mori's Rhyme of Lunacy, a supergroup of sorts, featuring Messiah Marcolin of Candlemass on vocals, Mike Wead (then known for Hexxenhaus and a brief involvement with Candlemass - see Nightfall, then he joined Mercyful Fate in 1996 and King Diamond in 2000! It all connects really) and Snowy. That was Snowy's first studio recording btw. The music was described at the time as Candlemass meets King Diamond, on drugs! Quite successfully too. Great band, they even got proggier on the second release, Life, Death and Other Morbid Tales. Anyway!
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King Diamond re-surfaced ini 1994, after the successful Mercyful Fate reunion, with Spider's Lullaby, which was quite the disappointment. The most obvious problem is the terribly weak and minimal drumming on the album, esp. compared to the previous stellar playing. Herb Simonsen was not really a very adequate replacement for Pete Blakk and even Andy Larocque seems out of shape. Eventually, I personally grew to like the album for what it is, even though the best track is the self-titled one, which is a funny little piece.
Things picked up a bit with The Graveyard, although I still think the overall sound suffers notably compared to the 80s productions. Cool story though.
The best album of the post-golden era, in my opinion is Voodoo. Better sound, better playing and a better drummer. The Exorcist is such an awesome song.
From then on, it is a steady decline imo. House of God has a couple of good songs, which would be among the highlights of Spider's Lullaby for example (namely The Trees Have Eyes and The Black Devil) but after that we have what is probably King's worst album (Abigail II, totally unnecessary sequel). The Puppet Master is much better, a good album even. Give Me Your Soul Please is very mediocre imo.
So, there you have it. I wholeheartedly recommend Fatal Portrait and The Eye. I cautiously recommend Voodoo, Puppet Master and perhaps the Graveyard.
And I hope you already own Melissa and Don't Break the Oath by Mercyful Fate. Uber heavy metal classics, fantastic albums and VERY influential. I also really like In the Shadows and Time from the reunion albums.
In my opinion, the problem with post-90 King Diamond is that he divided his inspiration in two bands, without having the amazing team he had in the 80s, especially in the drum department. Like butter spread over too much bread, as that line went!
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2011 at 10:28am
I agree that The Spider's Lullaby isn't the greatest KD album, but I love the opening track "From The Other Side".
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Posted By: Vic
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2011 at 10:32am
Yeah, it's not bad, perhaps the second best track on there. I really wish there was a version with a better drummer. So empty and it shows on that song. The self-titled has that mid-tempo simplicity that suits it. But this was a nice fast opener, which begs for Mansion in Darkness type of drums, imo.
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2011 at 10:56am
Yeah that organic eighties drumming by Mikkey Dee just can�t be topped and it meant so much to the music on the early albums.
Mikkey Dee
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Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2011 at 11:48am
There are a few KD releases I own that I haven't listened to for a few years. One of which is The Graveyard. I've got to put that into the rotation this week.
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2011 at 2:17pm
^I wrote a review for "The Graveyard" a while back: http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/the-graveyard--review.aspx?id=238185" rel="nofollow - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/the-graveyard--review.aspx?id=238185
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Posted By: buttsled
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2011 at 11:32am
I love King Diamond. If I ever get to see him live I am going to propose to my girlfriend during the show.
I agree that some of his work isn't as good as the best of his work (both MF and solo) but in my opinion it is all worth hearing/having.
Fatal Portrait>Abigail>Them>Conspiracy>The Eye is as good a 5 album run as any in the history of music.
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2011 at 11:54am
I couldn�t agree more. 5 fantastic albums in a row. How many artists have a statistic like that?
...oh and while I didn�t propose to my wife during the shows I�ve seen King Diamond twice:
http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/king_diamond" rel="nofollow - ) (16th of July 1995) Alexandra, Copenhagen, Denmark (7th of March 1997) Store VEGA, Copenhagen, Denmark
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Posted By: buttsled
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2011 at 12:06pm
Nice. The first time you saw King (and last time you saw Fate) was one of my best friend's (a HUGE King fan) 21st birthday. That would have been an epic experience for him.
My woman and I had plans to see him on the last planned US tour but he hurt his back and hasn't been back since. :(
I did see Fate once but I got so loaded I slept through almost all of the show. Idiot teenager.
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2011 at 1:18pm
Yeah I�ve had a couple of similar experiences when I was younger too.
...on the subject of King Diamond�s health I�m not sure how he is doing after all the heart surgery he has been through in the last year or so. To be frank I�m a bit worried if we�ll ever hear from him again. Anyone has some good news for me?
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2011 at 1:45pm
UMUR wrote:
(28th of May 1993) Gentofte Stadion, Gentofte, Denmark (yes the comeback show)
Man, that was epic!!! They totally outplayed Metallica!
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2011 at 1:49pm
Yeah it was pretty fantastic. I guess that�s another show the both of us attended huh Kim!
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2011 at 1:51pm
Yup... and a legendary one it was.
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Posted By: genghiscon
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2011 at 11:34am
Saw KD twice. Cant remember the dates. First time was in 86 for the Fatal Portrait tour. In Long Beach, Ca. at Fenders Ballroom. Sentinel Beast and Exodus opened for him. Great Show. King really brought it that night.
Second time was in Anaheim, Ca. in 88 during the Them tour. Flotsam and Jetsam opened for him. Another fantastic show. The Them house set was awesome and really kept me sucked into the concert.
I agree with the previous opinions shared here. If you have his first five albums, you really already have the best of his work outside of his first two with Mercyful Fate.
(Still kicking myself for missing that concert in California back in 84 that had Mercyful Fate on a bill with Venom and Motorhead. Jeez....what was I thinking?)
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2011 at 12:30pm
Yeah there are gigs like that too I missed along the way and really have regrets about not attending.
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Posted By: Yog Sothoth
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2011 at 12:19pm
I saw Mercyful Fate twice. The first time was for the "In The Shadows" and unfortunately he had no range for the higher notes whatsoever. He said he had a cold, and it showed. He also got understandably pissed during the "Come To The Sabbath" shout/response deal when the crowd warbled out "sabbaaaaaaath!" in an almost mocking off-key fashion, which wasn't cool since the guy did say he had a cold, and let's face it, I never expected MF to have a reunion in the first place so you'd think we'd all be happy just for that. He called us a bunch of fucking assholes, finished the song and left.
Next time I saw them was for the Time tour (end of '94 or early '95, can't remember), and he was in top form and that was just a great show all around.
I dig the 80's King Diamond stuff (especially Abigail), but MF's Melissa and Don't Break The Oath albums take the cake by far for me since they were my gateway albums from regular heavy metal to the much darker underground stuff. That song "The Oath" freaked the hell out of me, especially since I had a Catholic upbringing at the time. Rebellion at its finest!
As for post-The Eye Diamond, I've only heard Abigail II (yeah, the title sucked me in to see how he was going to progress the creepy story that seemed complete) and didn't care for it at all.
Posted By: IndianaJones
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2012 at 12:03pm
Great music, especially the trio Abigail-"Them"-Conspiracy. All albums that I've heard are good, but for some reason I have never enjoyed The Eye as much as everyone else seems to. I enjoy the music that came after the first five albums too, especially the two new ones. Give Me Your Soul... Please was a step down in quality concerning the story, but in musical terms I think it was very good. Puppet Master seemed very good also, but since I've heard it only a couple of times I can't really judge it rightfully.
The nineties seem a bit underrated, although it didn't continue the pure awesomeness of the first few albums, the music was in no means bad. I haven't heard The Graveyard, and I've heard the Spider's Lullabye only a couple of times, but they're a lot better than what people generally state. I'm very fond of the House of God also, it has a really tight atmosphere that sucks you deep into the story if you're in the right state of mind. HoG reminds me a bit of The X-Factor by Iron Maiden, for they both reveal their true strength only when you listen them completely focused and have time to dive in to their atmospheric soundscapes.
And yeah, Mercyful Fate is awesome too, the first two albums are legendary and I liked In the shadows very much too. Besides these three I've only heard 9, which I didn't enjoy that much because it steers more towards a heavier and darker sound.
Posted By: Pelata
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2012 at 1:37pm
I used to not be a fan of King Diamond's vocals back in the day...it kept me from getting into them. I was so into Dickinson/Tate/Halford that King's unusual tone & style rubbed me wrong.
Now, however, I find myself digging it...especially the early Mercyful Fate stuff...
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2012 at 2:03pm
His vocals are definitely an aquired taste.
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Posted By: Parsifal
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 2:08pm
I'm a huge fan of both King Diamond and Mercyful Fate. Melissa, Don't Break the Oath, Fatal Portrait, Dead Again, Them, Puppet Master...all have been massive for me.
I've just rediscovered both 'Fate and King in the past few years, and after first dismissing the more recent stuff like Into the Unknown, Conspiracy, 9, and Time, I took the time with headphones and finally heard them for what they really are: excellent releases! They are more suited to at least semi-concetrated listening, as the subtleties can get lost when just cranking them on the stereo.
But of course the 80s material is closest to my heart, magnificent, black traditional metal with superb musicianship and songwriting.
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 24 Feb 2012 at 2:54pm
I much prefer the 80s albums too (I include "The Eye" among those).
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2013 at 3:31pm
I�ve listened to this one tonight:
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Posted By: Daysbetween
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2013 at 5:42pm
I am also a big MF / KD fan since the beginning when they seemed to be constantly in Kerrang magazine. I would never be without Melissa, Abigail & Them on my mp3 player. An album that has not been mentioned yet that is worth hearing is my fave outwith the early albums - Abigail II. It even has a cool cover.
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2013 at 12:42am
None of the post-"The Eye" albums rock my boat wildly, but they are all good quality releases. I seldom listen to them though. If I want to hear King Diamond it�s almost always one of the old albums that come on. The same with Mercyful Fate. It�s almost always the two early albums or "The Beginning" that comes on. I really like "In the Shadows" though, but from there it was downhill IMO. And of course downhill doesn�t mean bad when we�re talking KD/MF.
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Posted By: Vic
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2013 at 4:04am
Let us not underestimate Time. That album is great.
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2013 at 4:47am
I like "Time" but it�s not as great as "In the Shadows" in my book. A step down so to speak...
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Posted By: Vic
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2013 at 6:20am
I would rather say that In the Shadows and Time (both) are a step down from the first two Mercyful Fate and the first five King Diamond albums. I really don't hear a major difference in quality between ...Shadows and Time to be honest. Both contain a few stellar songs and a couple of truly King Diamond-calibre masterpieces (Is That You Melissa? and Time, respectively).
Egypt, My Demon, The Mad Arab, the rendition of Return of the Vampire with Lars on drums (his last truly good performance imo - check how Ghost has stolen the chorus of that song in their song Ritual, the one with the Symphony of Destruction riff! *wink*), The Old Oak (that one would be an epic if it was recorded with the 84 lineup, or the Abigail one...). All great metal songs, so unique both in sound and composition style, it just goes to show you what an unbelievable entity King Diamond is for metal music. And there are plenty more to be found throughout his MF/KD careers after, unfortunately scattered. 9 has a few dynamites as well (3rd fave in the post-84 stuff), Sold My Soul is a catchy gem for example, with that special KD flavor in the vocal lines (that aaaaahhhh-aahhh stuff!) to give it an edge.
What I am trying to say is that compared to the first 7 albums in KD's career, in my personal, informed but also rather biased opinion, only the Greats can be compared, the huge names of metal. A 7 streak is a huge rarity in the entire rock genre, it is not something to be brushed aside lightly. Including the impact factor and the unforgettable place in the metal universe. Iron Maiden, who can also claim such a monstrous number of classics (although the first two MF demolish the DiAnno albums imo - and I like those very much) released No Prayer for the Dying and Fear of the Dark. I daresay I'd take the MF albums easily over those. I'd only keep the three obvious songs from FoTD to be honest. And let us not forget the X-Factor and Virtual XI. Spider's Lullaby and Graveyard, eyes closed for me.
My point of course is not a KD vs IM streak but to point out that such a comparison is absolutely conceivable, on all fronts (albums, individuality, skill, album covers etc) and to further suggest that King Diamond is the only metal artist I can think of who kept his streak on such a dignified level, even though he had spent himself over two bands releasing albums regularly. At least, I can think of no other. In the Shadows and Time are two albums that any metal band would be proud to have released and that is not written lightly like the cliche that follows many a dud...
Just listen to these melodies. They are so pure King Diamond genius that they still get me after all these years. The beautiful guitar solos simply rise to the occasion.
Respect to Michael Denner for that last solo.
Seriously guys. Those two belong in the pantheon of ROCK MUSIC.
.......aaaaaand my King Diamond fanboyism display is now over! :)
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2013 at 8:35am
^My fanboyism never ends. Can�t wait to see King Diamond play CopenHell 2013 in June.
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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 6:32am
I was a big fan of King Diamond back in the 80's, especially Abigail and Them but more recent albums have passed me by. I notice later albums aren't that highly rated here but I'm curious to check some of them out.
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 6:59am
^Honestly it´s more of the same, just with a more compressed digital production, and a less organic and innovative drummer (no one beats Mickey Dee). It´s enough for me to seldom listen to anything after The Eye, but there are actually quite a few great releases after the "Classic" period (first five albums). I personally enjoy both Voodoo (my review is here: http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/review/voodoo/300131" rel="nofollow - http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/review/voodoo/300131 ) and House of God.
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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 8:37am
^ Thanks for the recomendations. great review of Voodoo by the way, I'm going to check that out next. I agree, Mickey Dee is awesome. Whilst he really drives Motorhead and they couldn't have a better drummer he's underused and doesn't get to display the chops he's capable of.
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 8:48am
^I hear you.
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Posted By: Time Signature
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 9:18am
I saw KD at Copenhell in 2013 (I think). That was probably the best show in the history of that festival.
And, regarding KD's more recent output, I think most of it is pretty good. I don't mind the more compressed production or the more traditional drumming style.
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Posted By: Dobbie03
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2015 at 3:32pm
I LOVE King Diamond. I really like the first few albums. I do prefer Mercyful Fate though.