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Sckxyss 
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 Posted: 29 Mar 2010 at 11:10pm |
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I started a thread about this in the suggestions board and it didn't get much attention. I think it's a much better tag than "Nu Metal" and allows for bands like Alice In Chains and Soundgarden to fit in as well.
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Kashmir75
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Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 12:14am |
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I've never really liked the tag 'nu metal' either. Alternative metal is a much wider term and can cover everything from Soundgarden to Tool to Linkin Park.
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dean
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Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 2:09am |
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Just because you don't like the Nu Metal tag doesn't mean you can change it to something you do like. Unlike so many after-the-event tags, Nu Metal actually existed as a subgenre of Metal, the bands were happy to be called that and gladly jumped on the bandwagon to fame using it. If you want "Alt Metal" then petition for the creation of a new subgenre and leave the Nu Metal bands like Coal Chamber, Korn and Papa Roach out of it
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aapatsos
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Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 4:30pm |
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^ my two cents
Alternative metal does not really compare, at least in my books, with Nu Metal. I see no great relation between e.g. Tool, early Soundgarden and Alice in Chains with Korn, Linkin Park etc. |
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micky
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Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 8:32pm |
absolutely NONE at all.... who would confuse the two.   |
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The T 666
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Posted: 30 Mar 2010 at 8:38pm |
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One tag can include the other... I would opt for the "alternative" tag instead of the "nu" one because it is a bigger umbrella...
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Sckxyss
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Posted: 31 Mar 2010 at 1:13am |
I wouldn't argue that it doesn't exist, but if anything it's a subcategory of Alternative Metal. It could be it's own genre, but then so could Depressive Black Metal, Symphonic Black Metal, Atmospheric Black Metal, etc. But, as with Black Metal, I think it would be best to have just one subgenre and then mention the other in the genre description or something. Either way, I still think it's odd to have a Nu Metal subgenre and not have an Alternative Metal one, when the latter is the much more prominent one. |
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topofsm
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Posted: 31 Mar 2010 at 10:02pm |
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Really? Nobody sees any alternative elements in Nu metal? To my ears most nu metal sounds like heavy alternative music anyways.
When I think of alternative rock, I have a tendency to think of adolescents who just learned to piece together chords into a song. However general that may be, the likes of Slipknot and Korn sound like this.
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Lost respect for these archives when I saw Creed added, among other bands. Not going to be foruming here anymore. You can keep my reviews if you want.
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Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 11:37am |
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As long as crap like Papa Roach doesn't crawl onto this site, Alternative Metal is a good sub-genre to have.
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Negoba
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Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 11:50am |
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Papa Roach is already in there. Like Glam Metal, these are bands people like and some hate. Our job is not to judge on taste (except in our reviews) but on whether the music is metal or primarily metal based.
I saw Papa Roach open for Motley Crue and though I expected it to stink, they put on a good show. Buckcherry, who I expected to rock, were lame.
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Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 11:52am |
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Fair enough. I'll keep my trap shut there.
I just dislike Papa Roach with a burning passion :p |
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Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 12:00pm |
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Kyuss as alternative metal, yes I know their Stoner metal, but i think they are a good inclusion for the alternative metal section just for so long their is no Stoner metal section.
I believe they are 100 % metal but to which the fit best i not sure |
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topofsm
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Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 12:14pm |
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I don't think Papa Roach are metal. They are angsty alternative rock with distorted guitars.
Just because it sounds angry and has distorted guitars doesn't mean it's metal.
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Lost respect for these archives when I saw Creed added, among other bands. Not going to be foruming here anymore. You can keep my reviews if you want.
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Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 12:15pm |
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^yeah, it could be punk.
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Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 12:21pm |
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While I wasn't the one who chose Papa Roach, I think the arpeggiated guitars and tone on their signature "Last Resort" are pretty undeniably metal of some kind.
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topofsm
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Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 12:29pm |
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^To be honest, I really think they sound like generic alternative melodies. I know what you're talking about. Besides, the rest of that song is pretty standard whiney alternative.
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Lost respect for these archives when I saw Creed added, among other bands. Not going to be foruming here anymore. You can keep my reviews if you want.
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Negoba
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Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 12:33pm |
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To be clear, I've never owned a Papa Roach album in my life. And if a decision was made to remove them, I don't think it would hurt the site. I'm still trying to decide what my line is. M@X made a reasonable guideline, and as nu-metal is pretty consistently their main tag, I think they make the cut. I think they slip inside the line as my gut tells me as well.Edited by Negoba - 01 Apr 2010 at 12:34pm |
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lucas
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Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 5:07pm |
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So basically : alternative metal = grunge (Soundgarden, AiC, Nirvana) + noise rock (Helmet, Sonic Youth) + alternative rock (Smashing Pumpkins, Jane's Addicion) + groove metal (King's X) + funk metal (FFF, fishbone, living colour, infectious grooves) I think that makes sense to have all these bands under one flag... |
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Negoba
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Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 5:36pm |
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Well not exactly: some of the sub-genres are pretty clear Nu-metal (though this blends into some straight modern rock)
Funk-metal (again blends into funk rock)
Groove Metal
But we're actually excluding most alternative and grunge
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topofsm
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Posted: 01 Apr 2010 at 7:45pm |
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^The thing is there are bands here that I'd really consider alternative anyways. When I see "Alternative Metal" I just think alternative music with more distorted guitars and maybe some harsh vocals, with very little if any actual metal in it compositionally. Anyways Negoba, would you mind linking me to those guidelines that M@X set up. Unless they're the descriptions of the subgenres I'm not sure where to look.
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Lost respect for these archives when I saw Creed added, among other bands. Not going to be foruming here anymore. You can keep my reviews if you want.
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