NWOBHMB really??

Hi Sean long time no see.

MMaybe because they were more popular towards that era? e.g. British Steel,Ace of Spades was around that time.

But your right they existed before that era, Trad. Metal?

Not to cause an argument, but NWOBHM is a movement, not a genre. NWOBHM bands are all heavy metal bands rooted in the traditional metal genre.

This is why we shouldn't have NWOBHM as a subgenre, because it's basically traditional metal, except for those prominent during a certain time period. It's sort of like Neo-prog at PA, which is basically Genesis based symphonic prog anyways.

it's like M@X said... it's all a work in progress. The whole site is.   I'm pretty sure Mark (CertIffied and Jeff) know enough about NWOBHM to decide what is..and is not. 

So, if you don't like the word 'traditional', what would you suggest using? I am sure M@x will at least take it into consideration if you have a viable proposal. 

I agree. Of course, the NWOBHM bands will have a tendency to sound like each other, it's only natural for a certain movement. However, you can't deny that they are all heavy metal, which is a kind of traditional.

Besides, I think there's a ton of discrepancy in the bands in the genre. Most bands sound closer to traditional anyways. You also have to consider that none of  Def Leppard's albums, even the first, sounded anything like for example Iron Maiden, who sounds nothing like Motorhead, who sounds nothing like Saxon, who sounds nothing like Venom, all of whom are included in our current NWOBHM category.

I do understand that there have been people hard at work polishing up the genres, and I respect that. However I think  the best help I can offer is my opinion and insight.


Edited by topofsm - 03 Apr 2010 at 7:32pm

I think M@x's proposition is a pretty good one. Having those three traditional metal links would be a good compromise either way.

I think that's the point of a genre, for people to find bands in the category they like. Of course, there will always be crossover into other genres, for example all of Devin Townsend's works sounding stylistically similar while at the same time fitting into many different metal (and ambient) categories. However, I wouldn't want drastically different bands in the same group, examples being those I listed.

^That's true, which is why M@x's proposition is a good one. At PA there is a RIO/Avant-prog category, as opposed to two separate categories. I'm not terribly familiar with the RIO bands, but from what I hear they aren't terribly similar, but they played experimental and unusual rock based music, essentially the same as the rest of the bands in the avant-prog category. Although they were in their own musical movement, they all fell under the same term as other bands who played the same style.

The same goes for NWOBHM. Although there is a significantly larger amount of bands in the NWOBHM movement than RIO, the idea is essentially the same. They are all heavy metal bands, which falls under the traditional metal term. By putting in the subcategory, we both acknowledge the importance of the movement without giving any misconceptions that it's a separate musical style, which it isn't.

As for Canterbury, I'm not familiar too much with it either, but although it was a movement it was also significantly separate in style enough to merit a separate genre category at PA AFAIK.


Edited by topofsm - 03 Apr 2010 at 9:48pm

micky wrote: it's like M@X said... it's all a work in progress. The whole site is.   I'm pretty sure Mark (CertIffied and Jeff) know enough about NWOBHM to decide what is..and is not.

Thanks micky... I know I can count on you!

Yeah, Judas Priest is NWOBHM whether you like it or not... in fact they may be the most famous band in the entire movement....

Just for the record: Black Sabbath have NO albums whatsoever in NWoBHM. All their albums from Heaven and Hell onwards have been moved to Trad HM - where also Heaven & Hell (the band) has been placed when I added it yesterday.

Personally, I don't agree with having Priest in NWoBHM, because they predate the whole movement by a good four or five years. However, their influence on the NWoBHM is undeniable, so I think British Steel can sit more or less comfortably there. Not so sure about their later albums though.

^I agree. Again, NWOBHM is a movement rather than a genre, but Priest helped define it. However, the early albums weren't even part of the movement, so they should fit in the Traditional category.