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    Posted: 12 Apr 2010 at 4:48pm
I've looked several times, and I don't see Steve Vai solo here. Seems like a no-brainer...just which genre.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 Apr 2010 at 5:10pm
That's definitely a tough one.
Songs like "The Animal" and "Bad Horsie" exemplify some of the heaviest virtuoso metal I've heard.
And yet songs such as "Rescue Me or Bury Me" have nothing to do with the genre.
It definitely speaks to his compositional diversity and versatility as the amazing player he is.

Yngwie is listed in Symphonic Metal, but I don't think they have much in common.
He definitely fits somewhere, perhaps in his very own sub-genre. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Apr 2010 at 4:00am
Uhm... Not difficult. Vai is metal for me but without metal songs... Not strange. Vai is only a guitar hero.

Vai in MMA... For me this caseis odd. I don't approve "if X is here... There must also be Y". But never like this I think this should be applied. Vai, sure, is part of Metal world, no discussion. But this is the correct place for Vai? I think yes, because Vai have a Metal attitude.

But my sentence  must not think badly of me. I'm not a fan of Vai. I think only that Vai is a great metal guitar hero without to play metal music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Apr 2010 at 9:32pm
Well,

I think there should be a catagory called either "Solo Guitarists" or "Shredders".  Big Fan of Vai and many
other Shredders that could use a sub-catagory.  Though many like Vai have different facits to their music,
thats why Progulus.com has them on the playlist . . . theyre Progressive, in Metal and other Fusions.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 7:19am
Oh damn we�re missing Vai?Cry Of course he should be included. For now just to get him here fast I suggest putting him in tradional metal. Some of his albums should probably be tagged avant garde though. I�m not much of a fan of creating more subs but I actually see the point about an instrumental/ shredder sub. There are a substantial number of artists ( with a different sound, but still shredders) that would be really cool to have in the same place. Just to mention a few Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Yngwie, Paul Gilbert...etc. Until a sub like that might be created sometime in the future I think traditional heavy metal is the place for most of them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 8:04am
Flexable should probably be Avant-garde...the rest are instrumental metal and we should probably wait until we have an appropriate genre.\
 
I would actually advocate putting the shredders in with tech metal. I would happily join that team as I lived that scene for quite awhile.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 8:41am
I don't really like this whole "Shredders" genre, simply because so much of it isn't even metal. Shred and metal aren't always tied together.
Personally I've never seen Vai as a metal guitarist in his solos works. He still plays metal sometimes, but since Passion and Warfare when he got out of playing those 80s glam-type metal bands I feel he has really been a rock guitarist who dabbles in metal sometimes, not an artist that is metal artist at the core
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 8:48am
Vai's correct genre? Probably Various Heavy Metal genre is the best vai music's place!!! SmileWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 10:51am
Originally posted by Harry Harry wrote:

I don't really like this whole "Shredders" genre, simply because so much of it isn't even metal. Shred and metal aren't always tied together.
Personally I've never seen Vai as a metal guitarist in his solos works. He still plays metal sometimes, but since Passion and Warfare when he got out of playing those 80s glam-type metal bands I feel he has really been a rock guitarist who dabbles in metal sometimes, not an artist that is metal artist at the core

I agree with this. I've never seen him as a metal guitarist. He's a rock guitarist with metal influences here and there. Shredding =/= metal. It's an important characteristic of metal (of some genres in particular) but just like tremolo-picking is not exclusive of black metal (not AT ALL), and distorted guitars are not exclusive of metal, so is shredding not exclusive of metal. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 1:53pm
Satriani is closer to the claims you're making, but Vai has done much heavier riffs and I think has earned his place.
 
Most shred is pretty metal, though I agree not all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 1:53pm
Hmmm . . .
It begs the Question, would they be Rock? Jazz? Fusion? I would wonder what Jazz and Fusion guys would think of long haired "Shredders" on stage, would they be annoyed that theyre making nothing but noize! LOL
Well I'm not asking Al DiMeola or Eric Johnson to be here.  Anyways, I get the jist that alot of these guys will be saved for later.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Apr 2010 at 4:22am
I have no problem with Vai being included here - nor with Satriani's inclusion - because they are part of the metal world, and they've always been associated with the metal world in the media etc.

As to the genre, I don't know. They don't seem to fit into any of the existing genres, and I'm sure a "metal related" genre will never be introduced ;-) The closest fits I can see are progressive metal, avant-garde metal or - controversially :-P - trad metal.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Apr 2010 at 4:38am
At the Prog station I listen to, Vai and other shredders (Or "Solo Guitarists") are considered Prog or Prog Metal as well.  No harm no foul I hope Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Apr 2010 at 6:27am
I think Vai and Satriani and most shredders should belong here, but the question of what genre is pretty hard, but the least I can think of is probably trad HM
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Apr 2010 at 7:27am
I think they belong here, and are part of the metal world. Their playing is definitely not blues based, and furthermore their playing influenced many many metal guitarists. Not that every influence has to be here but....
 
I would vote Trad HM for now.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Apr 2010 at 9:25am
this axeman topic raised another interesting question
should SLASH as solo artist be added ? i just pick up his new solo CD and saw many names performing as singer including some metal names, now if we want to add him, should we put him under Glam or Alternative Metal or ?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Apr 2010 at 9:27am
Originally posted by Stephen Stephen wrote:

this axeman topic raised another interesting question
should SLASH as solo artist be added ? i just pick up his new solo CD and saw many names performing as singer including some metal names, now if we want to add him, should we put him under Glam or Alternative Metal or ?



I think Slash belongs here. Don't know about the genre though. Maybe glam will do for now, and then a move to a more fitting genre later on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Apr 2010 at 9:37am
I don't want to stifle discussion, but remember just one thing: if there is any controversy attached to any of those suggestions, they will be put on ice for now. The last thing we need now, in the early days of the site, is for people to become members just to say, "WTF? Why is X here?". This happens just about every day on PA, and very often creates tension and ugliness. We don't need this as we are trying to create our niche in the Internet world. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Apr 2010 at 9:49am
Originally posted by UMUR UMUR wrote:

Oh damn we�re missing Vai?Cry Of course he should be included. For now just to get him here fast I suggest putting him in tradional metal. Some of his albums should probably be tagged avant garde though. I�m not much of a fan of creating more subs but I actually see the point about an instrumental/ shredder sub. There are a substantial number of artists ( with a different sound, but still shredders) that would be really cool to have in the same place. Just to mention a few Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Yngwie, Paul Gilbert...etc. Until a sub like that might be created sometime in the future I think traditional heavy metal is the place for most of them.


I agree with Jonas here. I would love to see a shred metal genre here, but until then I believe that they should go in traditional heavy metal. I can represent the trad. heavy metal team on this one, so anyone can feel free to add Steve Vai into this subgenre. Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Apr 2010 at 10:12am
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

I don't want to stifle discussion, but remember just one thing: if there is any controversy attached to any of those suggestions, they will be put on ice for now. The last thing we need now, in the early days of the site, is for people to become members just to say, "WTF? Why is X here?". This happens just about every day on PA, and very often creates tension and ugliness. We don't need this as we are trying to create our niche in the Internet world. 
 
On the other hand, if we're trying to represent as a viable archive, we have to include the big artists. Clearly if Appetite for Destruction was not here, it's hard to call yourself a metal archive.
 
Steve Vai obviously isn't in that category, but I think there is a sense of "WTF? Why ISN"T he here?"
 
Again, I won't add an artist to another's team's genre, but I think the borderline cases are the jazzy guys like Eric Johnson (who is still metal-related) who are part of the shred scene but probably don't belong here.
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